ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 191

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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It’s a long, long way to Tipperary, it’s a long to go.
The Guardian. The Guardian … !!!
https://politomix.com/the-guardian/2239423/case-study-groupthink-liberals-wrong-pandemic/

There's no doubt that just about all of the left turned into raging authoritarians over covid, but I think a lot of the left vs right stuff was just theatre.

Here in Australia, the conservative government of the time (under PM Scott Morrison) supported everything the left wing states (especially Victoria) did in terms of the lockdowns and vaccine mandates. Morrison was happy just to stay in the background and quietly facilitate the actions of Vic and other states, while allowing the state premiers to draw all of the flak and attention through their obnoxious behaviour. Many people still hate the state premiers because of what they did, but few hate Morrison because they don't understand the role that he played.

The right wing media was critical of some aspects of the lockdowns and mask mandates, but at the same time they were hostile to the freedom protesters and came down hard on the "covidiots" (those who broke the lockdown rules).

Out of the left wing media, the nine network (TV station) and The Age newspaper (owned by channel nine) were possibly the worst in the way they covered covid. Nine news were extremely hostile in their coverage of the freedom protesters, and The Age turned into fanatical supporters of covid totalitarianism and published a lot of very authoritarian and unhinged articles. Well, guess who the chairman of nine network was during this time? Peter Costello, a former conservative treasurer. He made some comments a couple of years ago about how crazy some of the covid measures were, but somehow wasn't able to use his influence to get the nine network and Age to provide more balanced coverage of covid.

The criticisms made by the academics in the guardian piece are still very mild, and like all criticisms in the mainstream don't address the core lies of the covid situation: that there was a deadly virus in circulation, and there needed to be lockdowns until a vaccine became available, and that an experimental injection that had never been tested on humans before 2020 needed to be forced onto as many people as possible.

I looked a bit further into the book upon which the guardian article is based. It is called "In Covid's Wake".

https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691267135/in-covids-wake

Here are a couple of quotes from the blurb:

"Were the voices of reasonable dissent treated fairly?"

"And, aside from vaccines, did the policies adopted work as intended?"

So it appears the book doesn't question the vaccines at all, and doesn't seem to have anything to say about the vaccine passports and vaccine mandates.

And they use the term "reasonable dissent" which I guess would exclude anti-lockdown protests, questioning of the experimental injections, discussion of how the PCR tests were used to generate case and death numbers, and questioning of whether there was a pandemic at all.

The book focuses on the nitty gritty of lockdowns, school closures, and masks. These type of criticisms have always been in the mainstream.

I think that lockdowns and masks were just tools that could be disowned once they had achieved their objective of nudging people into taking the experimental injections. Meanwhile, the fundamental lies around the scamdemic remain unchallenged.

Thank you to all who commented on my post. I do not post often here (or anywhere!). It has been wonderful having this community here.

nichtwatchwaits— The Guardian!! (...Shaking my head...)

I'll add this: In my uber-blue neck of the woods, I'm starting to hear this from a few people, that (in so many words) "the government made a lot of disastrous mistakes with covid." But that said, one sentence at most, the conversation swings away from that whole subject faster than the speed of a cough (usually over to the usual how very bad is the Bad Orange Man). And the very same person who says such things might, by the by, mention that they just got vaxxed for something else.

My take is that something's happening, like, a major iceshelf fell into the sea. But it's still kinda sorta Antarctica down there.

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