Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 188

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

What do people need to do starting today if they already took the covid vaccines a few years ago and they want to avoid the terrible fate that the author is threatening everybody with?

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[(Anonymous)]

Since you seemed to have asked this same question here, I'll respond by copying my comment from Kimberly Steele's Dreamwidth.

Some suggestions:

1. Acknowledge that you have made a mistake in taking the covid vaccine, and that it has caused yourself and/or others to suffer.

2. Apologise to anybody that you have derided for warning you about the covid vaccine, that they were right and you were wrong about the covid vaccine. Accept any consequences that may arise from this. Try to make amends as best as you can for any damage you may have caused to other people.

3. Think about and reflect over your relationships with the media, social media, your friends, institutions, etc, everything that caused you to believe that taking the covid vaccine was okay. Get down to the roots of the issue, and change your life, your worldview, and your relationships to prevent you from falling to another mediagenic craze like the covid vaccine.

4. Don't take another covid vaccine, or more generally any vaccine. Start boycotting institutions and jobs which require vaccines, even if it means a less comfortable life. Start informing other people about the dangers of the covid vaccine and vaccines more generally.

5. Learn the sphere of protection and a banishing ritual so you are better protected from demons. Pray and listen to the gods or the angels and saints for advice on how to manage the aftermath of taking the covid vaccine. Learn discursive meditation to make all this easier.

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[charlieobert]

This process sounds a lot like an idea that came up in Magic Monday this week - that we need a 12 step recovery process for people with terminal TDS.

We're dealing with something similar you could call Covid Derangement Syndrome or Vaxx Derangement Syndrome.

People who have begun the recovery process know that the single hardest part by far is step one - admitting you were wrong and taking responsibility for the harm you have caused to yourself and others. Everything else follows from that.

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[boccaccio]

A lot of people are nowhere near taking that first step. I get the impression that the higher someone's educational level, the less willing they are to admit their mistake. All those smarts are put to work to avoid the inavoidable.

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[(Anonymous)]

Last weekend, I ended my membership in my Quaker meeting over how it had responded to Covid. I read aloud my letter (studiously avoiding "science" and focusing on how actions taken over three years ago went against all sorts of Quaker testimonies.) I noted that fear had driven the response.

A majority of responses expressed regret, and one or two even explicitly expressed the opinion that the response was "wrong." But one person, "attending" the meeting over Zoom, heatedly denied that fear had motivated her. I can't possibly quote her. But she rather animatedly said that she was just trying to stay SAFE, as someone in her sixties, "working in a 'Trumpist' town" with no concern for her safety. "It was SCIENCE," she said. Another person expressed regret, but noted that even though she had done everything right, staying up to date on all vaccinations, she still got Covid last summer, got really sick, and now she had an irregular heart rhythm, too, and can exert herself hardly at all without terrible fatigue.

I remained silent, like a good Quaker. There is simply no changing other people, unless they are willing to admit they might have made a mistake.

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[(Anonymous)]

Also I'll copy Kimberly Steele's comment from further down her comment section:

"I think many are in danger of turning my speculations into gospel... Personally I don't think anyone who was forced into taking the vaccine is going to be judged all that harshly for it. It is the arrogant ones who made it into a grandstanding opportunity and fetish who seem to be in trouble."

https://kimberlysteele.dreamwidth.org/142613.html?thread=4392469#cmt4392469

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[(Anonymous)]

Those aren't the only two options of course ... I know several older people who got the vaxxes as fast as they could -- they were afraid, they were genuinely in high-risk groups -- but I never heard them badger or berate anyone else about doing it. They haven't sinned in my book.

If I recall correctly, Kimberly's independent business was crushed by Illinois' tyrannical covid lockdowns. It's understandable if she thinks a just universe should inflict suffering on those who inflicted suffering on people like her. But I'm certain that she is way off in attributing either toxic medical products or political oppression to demons. Humans are quite capable of doing both those things by themselves. And if everyone who took the jab is demonic and lacking their mental sheath and so on et cetera, is the same true of everyone who obeyed the lockdowns and stayed in their house for months without getting arrested on a playground? That's just not how it works.

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[(Anonymous)]

Also, why is taking the covid vaccine demonic but taking the MMR or DTAP vaccines not demonic?

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[(Anonymous)]

Because unlike the covid vaccine, people didn't make taking the MMR or DTAP vaccine a huge part of their identity / life. They didn't shun people from family reunions for not taking the MMR or DTAP vaccine, they didn't try to ban people from their restaurants or small businesses for not taking the MMR or DTAP vaccine, they didn't end relationships over not taking the MMR or DTAP vaccine, etc.

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[(Anonymous)]

Kimberly Steele's beliefs towards covid vaccines implies that quite a number of people who are currently doing great work fighting against the covid vaccines, such as Dr. John Campbell and Steve Kirsch, are demonic and will lose their mental sheaths in the next incarnation, simply because they got the jab in 2021 before all the evidence came out that the jabs are bad for people.

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[(Anonymous)]

"Those aren't the only two options of course ... "

That's also what Kimberly Steele said over on her blog:

https://kimberlysteele.dreamwidth.org/142613.html?thread=4394517#cmt4394517

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[(Anonymous)]

Like with everything, it's never about *what* you decided, but *why* you made the decision. That why is so very important. Just the fact that you're admitting you made a mistake is a very good thing.

The next steps are to learn from this mistake you've made. Learn everything you can about it. You do that, you'll be OK.

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[anonymoose_canadian]

Without knowing why, it's impossible to say. There's a world of difference between "I took it because I bought mass panic and thought I could save lives"; "I took it because it gave me a socially acceptable excuse to bully people"; and "I knew it would probably kill me, but I'm almost 100 and don't have long anyway, so I took it to be able to visit my wife of 80 years in the nursing home again".

The karmic consequences of these are not going to be the same; and the steps needed to address each situation will be completely different.

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[(Anonymous)]

The primary argument from most vaxxed people i talk to is - "I took it so that I could travel internationally." Whoever pushed for these internationally travel bans and vaxx passports should be hauled into Nurenberg-style courts.

The second group consists of doctors/nurses, who wanted to keep employments and college students, who wanted to continue their education. We already know that the colleges were paid huge sums of money by the Biden government (and presumably other countries as well) to mandate vaxxes.

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[(Anonymous)]

Kimberly Steele's attitude towards all things covid "Everybody who took the jab / once supported the vaccines and lockdowns is doomed to become an animal in future incarnations" reminds me of a fundamentalist Protestant preacher's attitude towards covid "Everybody who took the jab / once supported the vaccines and lockdowns is damned to eternal hell". It is a great way to turn people off occultism or Christianity / religion.

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[(Anonymous)]

Well, the thought of Trump, who started Operation Warp Speed and still supports the vaccines, ending up as a pig or cow bred for food in future incarnations, might be morbidly gratifying for Resistance TDS people.

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[(Anonymous)]

She says in this comment that she doesn't have that attitude:

https://kimberlysteele.dreamwidth.org/142613.html?thread=4394517#cmt4394517

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[(Anonymous)]

Here's a sentence in a previous essay where Kimberly Steele states that she believes that everybody who is "quaxxed" is going to hell:

"I think the entire quaxxed population including those who faked it bear a burden of responsibility and unknown karma that I was and am willing to die as Kimberly Steele to avoid. I think they’re going to hell."

https://kimberlysteele.dreamwidth.org/76360.html

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[(Anonymous)]

I remember reading this.

I'm glad that she has adjusted her thoughts on the matter.

–Donald Hargraves

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm new to occultism, but I suspect the consequences of this will be poorer health in those that took the vaccine, and even worse health for the remaining corona panickers if they're ineptly cursing people who didn't get the vaccine or don't virtue signal by wearing masks. People frequently get caught up in harmful delusions stemming from media propaganda, and are capable of worse sins. The covid vaccines would be an ordinary public health fiasco, not the largest transfer of souls ever.

Patrick

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[(Anonymous)]

It's (took_the_vax && !admit_mistake), not just took_the_vax, as I understand her. It's the arrogance being greater than their competence that she's warning about. But I can't read her mind, maybe she's just had a cupful of their mindset and can't stand them anymore.

And there's a tinge of Culture of Contentment in all of this too - people taking it because they want to hold onto their scraps of comfort for a little while longer. It's all about why people made the decision and not so much about the decision itself.