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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 188

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Dr. Mark Trozzi has been recently sharing clips from a video conference that took place on January 1 of this year involving himself, Dr. Roger Hodkinson, and Dr. Jessica Rose (all of whom have testified as expert witnesses at the National Citizens Inquiry). The following is a link to a brief summary write-up on the theme of truth and freedom and a video of Dr. Rose’s talk about it during the video conference. The page also has links to other important pages of material pertaining to the work of Dr. Rose, Dr. Hodkinson and Dr. Trozzi.

https://www.drtrozzi.news/p/standing-up-for-truth-in-challenging#media-a7eb6a6b-8444-4b55-8a33-609e1ae2f5e8

If anyone in the group is like me, listening to the words of the warriors on the front line of the battle against medical tyranny from time to time helps to keep things in perspective regarding what is going on.

Ron M

I know a lot of people who got vaxxed and boosted, often repeatedly, and I don't know anyone whose skin is peeling off.

Yes, it is *mostly* liberals who became extreme covidians, though I know at least three conservatives who still avoid any public indoor activity or travel because of covid. Let's not forget, though, that the massive nationwide lockdown was ordered by the Trump administration, or that he claimed that FDA's not wanting to allow mRNA vax use until they could analyze and discuss the meager data from a six-week clinical trial was a Deep State conspiracy. As a never-Trumper, I for one was suspicious of a product that Trump seemingly wanted to ram through with no real testing to improve his hopes of re-election. Between those points and the general higher salience of "purity" as a guiding principle for conservatives, the factional divide over covid might very easily have gone the other way. Had Trump won in 2020, I suspect conservatives might now be denouncing liberals for not getting boosted (and perhaps attributing all illnesses in liberals to their covid infections).

And conservatives may not "melt down" over covid, or over people being jailed for protected speech, or whatever recent incidents you may be referring to, but they do "melt down" over plenty of other subjects. It would not seem appropriate for me to supply a list here, but I am sure you can think of some. If you'd prefer some other term than "melt down" for public displays of emotion or political protest by your own faction, it would help if you'd use the same term for those of the other faction.

Again, I'm not sure why you need to have vaxxed people -- at least if they are liberal? -- "admit they were wrong." Suppose some people have a recent health problem and "can barely walk up a flight of stairs." What is the benefit in having six people self-denounce and blame the vax if that is true in one of their cases? It probably doesn't even help that one, and it certainly harms the other five. Of course, none of them should get boosters that might make their condition worse, but neither should the greater number of people who have no such health problems. And as I've been pointing out, most of the public HAVE come to recognize that, because they aren't accepting any more jabs. They may not have bewailed their past vaxxes in a public struggle session; they just quietly stopped following CDC guidelines. Why isn't that enough?

Thanks for catching that about the dosage; it fits.

Looking a bit further I am seeing ads for a lot of the supplements and products that were promoted elsewhere, but without mentioning the vaxx. It's the sort of products you saw on sites like Alex Jones and Infowars or other alternative media - and some things we have talked about here.

Remember Dr. Zelenko and Z-Stack? It's on FB now.

Remember "Spike Support"? It's on FB now - though they don't say anything about what the "Spike" is.

I'm also seeing Nattokinase, Quercetin/Bromelain, Wormwood... Again with no mention of vaxx, spike or covid, but just for general detox, fatigue, brain fog...

You can look up an author named Ziyad Al-Aly from a VA hospital. He's been in the media for years with one data-dredging study after another purporting to show that having had covid (in elderly male veterans) can later cause death, dementia, diabetes, heart disease, and every other chronic disease in the book, as well as claiming that Omicron is still more deadly than flu. These studies have massive, massive confounding factors that CAN NOT possibly be corrected for. But the (mainstream) media eat them up with a spoon.

I should point out that the USA has not been a republic for a long time now. They began to seriously embrace imperialism in the late 1800s -- Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) famously railed against it back then -- and formally became the dominant empire after WW2. However, while the American politicians have always seemed to be afraid to admit that America has become an empire, everybody else knows it.

I understand your objection, however. It takes more than one event to whittle down an empire. All the events referred to have contributed.

Caldathras

How exactly are empire and republics incompatible? Why do so many people have such a hard time with the idea that the United States is both an empire and a republic?

This was also my question. Nations can be flagrantly imperialistic while still being republics -- Rome, until the time of Augustus Caesar, was both. It's only in morality plays of the Star Wars variety that there's an incompatibility.

Yes, thank you so much for this post Charlie, and scotlyn too. I have written the phase that scotlyn quoted on a piece of paper to think about. I suppose I have fewer and maybe less bad vices than some, but as I get older, maybe I do spend too much time in the past. There really only is right now. And I can see where maybe my vices are holding me back, or slowing me down. I'm going to think about what you said, and see if there is some power/virtue available there. Thank you.

It will be very hard to distinghuish between the effects of the virus, the vaxx and other factors like economic destitution. Both the virus and the vaxx will cause spike to be in the body although the vaxx more.

Rintrah mentioned last June that the Chinese inactivated virus vaccins also cause IgG4 to rise ( https://www.rintrah.nl/not-just-mrna-chinese-vaccines-also-result-in-a-dysfunctional-antibody-response/) Isn't it then likely that repeated Corona virus infections will also lead to increased IgG4? I really don't know, but it doen't seem impossible.

Another factor is that the virus attacks T-cells, so after each infection the victim will have several months of reduced immunity against many other diseases. There are also indications that Omicron causes neurological decline.

With all the shedding and Corona virussen going on, fueled by perhaps permanently spike producing vaccinated people and viruses setting up shop in vaccinated that have developed immuno-tolerance and other virusses proliferating in people with weakened immune systems, it is just a big mess that reinforces itself. The result is deteriorating health all across the board, as we see now.

"I know a lot of people who got vaxxed and boosted, often repeatedly, and I don't know anyone whose skin is peeling off. "

Right from the beginning, any vex injured person who started to share their stories online got completely shadow-banned. Just so you don't see it.

Folks who currently have skin peeling off, they would rather hide at home rather than face the public, to avoid the pity glances and whisperings. So you don't see it again.

"Again, I'm not sure why you need to have vaxxed people -- at least if they are liberal? -- "admit they were wrong." Suppose some people have a recent health problem and "can barely walk up a flight of stairs." What is the benefit in having six people self-denounce and blame the vax if that is true in one of their cases? It probably doesn't even help that one, and it certainly harms the other five."

One of the key control mechanisms used by the state has been to isolate people. So even when they are obviously vex injured, all the shadow-bans and doctors gaslighting told them that they were just 'rare' and unfortunate instances. Now if all 6 people KNOW that they were all suffering the same issue from the jab, the lightbulb is more likely to go off and they can start sharing info about what they're trying to address their issues. Being in denial means they keep going back to the system to get wrong and harmful 'medical' advice instead. In addition, when people start to realize that it's not even just a handful they know online that got harmed, but a huge majority - that is part of the prediction about increasing widespread anger and forcing change and accountability to the system. Admitting they were wrong is a very key step in understanding how they got manipulated so easily (yes, tough to swallow), otherwise they're missing a key task in this life cycle.

Hey, I'm not judging you if you don't want to admit that you were wrong to have taken the shot as you still seem ok... corolary to that is that you probably aren't detoxing. We are just making an observation that there are likely many consequences for not facing up to some basic truths.

I confess I saw nothing on the sites you mentioned. My reading takes me elsewhere.

Those first supplements are old faves from natural and alt health sites, known for tonic/cleansing action and generally enhancing wellbeing.
Wormwood is an antiparasitic: curious that it is being promoted with the others. Its older uses are also as a tonic and to remedy debility but I don't see it being promoted for those purposes. Which makes me wonder which of the popular antiparasitic herbal supplements are rising to fame.
Do you see ads for cloves or black walnut for instance?

iridescent scintillating elver

We have just been through some of the most unreasonable years of our lives; have been treated unreasonably; and as you may infer some of us are rather suffering from PTSD. It may be here where we come to lick our wounds and find some rare sympathy.
So why insist on being reasonable? What is reason going to solve?

iridescent scintillating elver

Until the offending drug companies go out of business and the politicians who committed crimes against humanity get prison time they will just keep coming back and trying it again.

Titivillus strikes!

Also replying to frozen comment
https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/319519.html?thread=54504735#cmt54504735

Thank you for sharing this. I hope that you have found some closure.

Cetiosaurus

Hi jdecandia, In case you or anyone else has not seen it, A Midwestern Doctor just posted a ginormous essay on DMSO and cancer treatment.

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/hundreds-of-studies-show-dmso-transforms

Some detail is at the very end behind a paywall, but still, there's a lot to read that's not. I found it extremely interesting.

stubborn, excellent comment.

Re: "One of the key control mechanisms used by the state has been to isolate people."

Many of the severely injured have barely left their homes in months and months. Few have filmed themselves for Internet viewers. And those that have have generally found themselves censored and shadow-banned.

GI tract issues and heavy bleeding issues are also things few people want to discuss, so many other people have no idea that these people are so debiltated. Ditto prostate issues. And nerve pain. And fatigue. And so on.

I myself am not injured, but I am very aware of the work of React19. So many people all telling similar stories and getting gaslighting, gaslighting, and more gaslighting.

As for social interaction, like a lot of people, I have not yet gotten back to pre-2020 levels of activity, not by a longshot, so I'm not keeping up with people as I once did. And anyway with most people the topic of covid is now "not done."

OP here. Hello Anonymous. I don't actually believe, as you assert, that "everyone who didn't initially make what turned out to be the right decision on one specific issue are as inferior to [me] as "gerbils".

Let me rephrase what I wrote, adding 5 words-- "I sometimes feel as if"

"I sometimes feel as if I might as well attempt to teach my gerbil linear algebra."

Also:

I sometimes feel as if I am talking to zombies.

I sometimes feel as if I am talking to robots.

I sometimes feel as if this is all a nightmare.

This, after many years now of heartbreaking attempts and many deaths among my friends and in my family. Yes, obviously, in communication skills, I'm somewhere on a learning curve.

Ah, the power of words. They are more useful than an umbrella sometimes. I shall be careful to not forget them.

Also Anonymous

Dr. Leana Wen Now Admits Some ‘Conspiracy Theories’ Were Actually True

“People were concerned about the impact of the vaccines on their menstrual periods. Well as it turns out, there have been studies that have shown that there may be some changes to the menstrual period in the short term.”

“It’s also true that … you do get some degree of pretty good immunity after having infection.”

https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1900925154907103599

I don't recall those specific supplements. Actually the big push seems to be anti-inflammatory and detoxing in general, and the parasite scares seems to be a subset of that. They often mention general fatigue and brain fog.

Fwiw, here is the gist of one suggestive ad.

The pic/meme shows a bottle of "Spike Support", with the following caption, and these first three words are in a very big colored font.

VACCINATED OR NOT,

taking your health seriously has never been more important.

Then text in small print above the meme:

Could lingering spike protein be the cause of forgetfulness?...

The spike protein doesn't just go away. It sticks around, triggering inflammation...

---
The main advertised ingredients are nattokinase and dandelion root.

I think that is enough to give the idea. I took a screen snap of the ad.

Why do people avoid using the term vaccine or vaccinated here? It's not Voldemort, he who must not be named. :)

Up here in Canada, the CBC News radio division has begun to ramp up their campaign to spread Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt regarding Measles. They have just become shills for their government and PMC masters and have lost all credibility in my eyes. I switched channels.

Caldathras

Week 188

Dear JMG, and dear forumistas, thanks for being here, and for making this space possible.

Of all things, I'm finding a half dozen raw oysters taken with lemon, Tabasco, and vinegar to be most excellent or mental clarity. I find the effect kicks in within about 15 minutes.

In times past, when feeling under the weather with a cold, I would eat tinned smoked oysters chased with a shot of fresh-squeezed orange juice. Zinc, vitamin C and folic acid— a great combo for fighting off winter colds. Knock on wood, I haven't had to fight a cold yet this year.

Still feeling very quiet. Watchful.

Cetiosaurus

In part because they were not vaccines, and in part because it was more fun to make up terms to reflect that awareness and poke fun at the right-thought industry.

Off the top of my head. I can think of three reasons:

1) Quite a few of us here believe that the mRNA jabs, in particular, were something completely different from traditional vaccines. So to use the term is to accept a false, and deceitful, premise. They're a radical mass introduction of gene therapy, not a "vaccine" by any traditional definition.

2) In the thick of covidian madness, esp 2020-2023, the state and their evil minions, social media companies and a hodgepodge of censorious NGOs (who still, somehow, got paid by the state) tried hard to remove crimethink such as, "These Covid shots are causing problems." One way to avoid the automated censorship tools was to be creative in one's choice of words. Dr John Campbell still does an obvious dance with censors on Youtube-- much of it is automated censorship.

3) [Related to (2),] all the cool kids started using those circumlocutions, and it's a sign of some shared battle scars. We're in the same club.

No doubt there are more. Those came immediately to mind.

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

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