Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 184

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

official MAHA commission

[charlieobert]

I saw this on Robert Malone's substack - this is from the official White House site:

The Make America Healthy Commission.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/02/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-establishes-the-make-america-healthy-again-commission/

It's worth reading. He's saying some things officially and out loud here.

quote:

"Americans have lost trust in our health system, skeptical as to whether they are receiving honest answers about the causes of the country’s health crisis and how to improve it.

Only a third of Americans trust the U.S. health system, a near-record low."

And, one of the four main directives:

"Ensure expanded treatment options and health coverage flexibility for beneficial lifestyle changes and disease prevention."

That's vague and open-ended, but pointing in the right direction.

Re: official MAHA commission

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm: why no Covid Vaccines Massacre Commission?

All distraction.

Re: official MAHA commission

[scotlyn]

As regards the concept of "disease prevention" it is a notable fact that disease prevention IS the whole "public health" rationale for vaccination all the way to legally overriding consent with mandates. To the extent of redefining certain diseases as "preventable" once a vaccine is approved that claims to prevent it. As in "preventable diseases like measles." (See? The talking point that RFK Jr singlehandedly "killed" 80 Samoans by preventing their vaccination and "making them die of measles" is already contained in this concept and language usage of "preventable", and would not be possible outside of it)

As regards the concept of "lifestyle changes" I would also note that this type of language has been in use for DECADES to divert attention from "toxic industrial processes and practices". While it is true that some lifestyles are healthier than others, the fact is that there is NO lifestyle that guarantees good health or that eliminates mortality. So, while this is a conversation that it is ocasionally useful to have in certain individual cases, it is not a conversation that is capable of being transformative at the scale of culture and society.

We have already spent decades seeing the media and popular clinical science frame every health issue in terms of a person's lifestyle "choices". It has never endangered the career of a journalist, doctor or scientist to blame bad health on "choices" such as drinking alcohol, taking drugs, smoking cigarettes, and overeating food, especially processed food. But how many of us "chose" to live in places poisoned by industrial pollutants, to drink waters infused with chemical and pharmaceutically active waste, breathing air laced with industrial emissions, and buzzing with artificial EMF's. And yet we do, and these things also make us sick. And is it not true that any journalist, scientist or doctor who seeks to frame health issues in the context of industrial pollutants, toxins and/or EMF's can be guaranteed the same kind of cancellation and censorship and loss of licencing/funds etc that we have been watching up close and personal in these threads?

I would definitely like to see very, very careful disambiguation of both of these concepts - "lifestyle choices" and "disease prevention" - before reading this paragraph as anything positive.