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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2025-01-14 11:56 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 180

flatten the curveWe are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.


5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.


With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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[personal profile] escorcher 2025-01-18 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
Well my Dad, a heavy smoker, had a life ending stroke at 75. I suspect quite a few smokers have heart attacks and suchlike.
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[personal profile] escorcher 2025-01-18 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
erm, turbocancers not something new?

https://www.canceractive.com/article/yale-experts%20see%20rise%20in%20younger%20turbo%20cancer

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Dr. Harvey Risch first reported in September 2023 that Clinicians at Yale Medical School were seeing some new cancer situations in adults as young as 25, with no family history of developing colorectal cancer, suddenly developing highly aggressive forms of the disease. So aggressive that between diagnosis and first treatment, the cancers have grown dramatically (1). This phenomenon has rapidly accelerated since the Pandemic."

Re: At this point nobody should be surprised

[personal profile] slinky_weasel 2025-01-18 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
The outcome is evil, but I'm not so sure the ones doing it knew it was evil at the time. I mean, if you knew, couldn't you just squirt the shot into the toilet and no one is the wiser? To inject it into a person (without their knowledge) sounds more to me like they think they are the well-informed expert and will do what they know to be right against all odds!

I think that accounts for most of them. Of course, this is totally unacceptable on the face of it, but the media drove a lot of people insane in 2021. Now, anyone who knew (what we know now), and did it anyway... that's some serious psychopathic shale there, which almost makes me wonder if they would have done it without a financial incentive.

(Anonymous) 2025-01-18 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
Perspective .............like, bending over backwards to be reasonable.....?

well maybe but personally I think my neighbour who is coughing deeply and regularly and sounds like Florence Nightingale
should be taking care of her, one on one, PROBABLY didn't have the right perspective when she got those sharp thin needles delivering
skull-jello, or whatever it was, into her veins......

So how can I add perspective to my neighbour's 'no perspective?'

Re: The Rise of Vaccine Distrust - UK Edition

(Anonymous) 2025-01-18 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
With zero opaque factors........dark as black fingernail polish.....

(Anonymous) 2025-01-18 07:56 am (UTC)(link)
My family have all just caught the winter "flu" that's going around, and I'm about certain it's actually covid again; symptoms-wise, the first time I caught covid, I had a very weird effect from it such that 1 of my eyes was pointing a few degrees off from the other eye and I had a banging headache (thankfully both things resolved within a week). I've currently got the same symptom, if massively reduced, and my partner is in bed having lost her sense of smell.

An interesting thing here is that I started nebulizing iodine as soon as I started to feel ill, and I'm about 90% recovered (that eye thing will be gone within a few hours, I think, and I have no other symptoms) after 36 hours. My son, who did nebulize iodine too but about 24 hours after he started becoming symptomatic, is still coughing, while my partner who has taken NSAIDs and no iodine is currently feeling terrible and I suspect has a good few days to go.

So the nebulized iodine thing, definitely worth trying. It only seems to work if you start right at the first signs of feeling ill, but then it seems very effective. I'm using 1 drop of 5% Lugol's iodine per 5ml of colloidal silver (distilled water should work too, but don't use tap water), nebulizing for half an hour at a time, 4 times a day. None of which is medical advice, just an anecdatum for what worked for me.

Re: Mixed bag on the health front over the holidays

(Anonymous) 2025-01-18 09:02 am (UTC)(link)
s The CIA's Drug Fueled Plot to Bring Back Egypt's Ancient Gods

[personal profile] ecosophia An esoteric question to our generous guest, isn't very likely that instead of channeling these nine main Egyptian Gods they might have channeled something else instead, I mean isn't it very hard to start invoking 9 Egyptian Gods to begin with, and given that they don't seem to respect much the raspberry jam principles isn't possible that they contacted other entities?

Re: Mixed bag on the health front over the holidays

[personal profile] boccaccio 2025-01-18 09:53 am (UTC)(link)
I like the book "Super Cancer Fighters: Proven Natural Remedies That Supplement Mainstream Cancer Treatments" by Bill Bodri (2013)

Re: Paul Marik's Cancer Care Document

[personal profile] boccaccio 2025-01-18 10:22 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks Angelica! I didn't know of this resource.

I'm familiar with dr Mariks work and suggested the Ivermectin/Fenbendazol approach to a family member that has prostate cancer. This is largely inspired by fellow commenter Stubborn_ass who reported good results here, but I didn't want to send my family member links to a forum so I used some of dr Marik's works and other scientific publications. When you take a good look it is amazing how much scientific evidence there is for the effectiveness of anti-parasitic drugs against cancer. Only a multi-billion profit incentive would be able to keep this from reaching general awareness.

I talked to my familily member about the possibility of Ivm for 2 years now, but he was/is fully on board with the jabs and wanted to try the regular approach. That went ok for a while, but the chemo is now so destructive he is reluctantly willing to try something next month. We'll see how it works for him and I intend to keep the forumistas here posted.

PS For an introduction, one can also watch the recent series of 3 video's that dr Campbell put on his Youtube channel about anti-parasitics and cancer.

Re: At this point nobody should be surprised

(Anonymous) 2025-01-18 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with anonymous and not slinky weasel. Everyone, everyone, knew that the shots were being forced on people, as in, you want to keep that job so you can pay rent and feed your kids? Then get the shot! I don't care if it worked the way it was advertised or not. (And very early on, we all knew it didn't) There is never, never a time when it is reasonable to force a medical procedure on a healthy individual. Never, not ever. If they choose it, fine. If they are coerced, then those that carried out the coercion belong in hell. None of them get a pass in my book.

Re: England Wales Annual Deaths Data

[personal profile] boccaccio 2025-01-18 12:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Those data are interesting. Good that ONS publishes age and gender stratified data. It surprises me a bit that the absolute number of deaths has gone down a bit, but it is good news of course. As you noted, the younger age groups have higher deathrates still. In the age group 20-44 it is both men and women with women more elevated while in the agegroup 45-64 it is mainly men.

[personal profile] kashtan, your reading that we see a pull forward effect in the elder while the younger ones show that not everything is ok is perhaps the most plausible explanation.

Re: England Wales Annual Deaths Data

[personal profile] boccaccio 2025-01-18 12:16 pm (UTC)(link)
PS For those interested, it may be good to note that chart F in the second link is insightful for the comparisons between agegroups and genders but not for year-to-year. This is because the baseline is the 2014-2023 average. This means that the years 2020-2023 are part of the baseline computation and that pushes the baseline up with 3-4%. On the other hand it ignores the year-to-year increase of 0.5-1.0% pre-Covid due to increasing and aging population. But this flaw can be countered by looking at the total counts in the other link.

[personal profile] boccaccio 2025-01-18 12:31 pm (UTC)(link)
The trend was rising for sure, but since the introduction of the jab we see a sharp increase. Especially very agressive cancers in young people without any history in that direction is baffling the doctors. I don't think hopium is going to do much good here, so don't be baffled too!

Yesterday, Jeff Childers reported about the way the MSM is dealing with the explosion. They suddenly raised the alarm with gruesome stories about young people getting cancer while only showing the slow but steady increase from the 1990's till 2019. He askes:"Why now raise the alarm and where are the more recent data?". Of course the most likely answer is that both are very much related.... As it happens I see exacly the same in the Dutch media in the past 1 or 2 weeks. Much talk and anecdote about young people getting cancer, only old data and doctors being baffled. Yeah right...

PS If you followed this forum, you know that we have discussed several pathways in which the jab can cause (turbo) cancer. From inpairing the DNA-repair mechanisms to oncogenic SV-40 in the Pfizer jab to the shedding of said SV-40, it's all been discussed extensively here.

AfD

[personal profile] boccaccio 2025-01-18 01:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Two days ago the leader of German party AfD held a speech in Hamburg. She said some noteworthy things about the Coof. It was stunningly open about many things we have discussed here for years and very critical to the people responsible.

My notes from the speech:
* the policy was flawed, serious mistakes were made
* many were harmed by the jab
* critical doctors were being silenced and lost their licence
* it has caused severe trauma in German society, some people were seriously damaged
* there were many deaths due to the jab
* officials need to be held responsible
* we cannot fix those harmed, but forgiveness is possible and doing the victims justice. Those responsible need to own that responsibility
* suddenly mRNA was the only option. Yet it was not sufficiently tested.
* the jabs turned out to be 20x more dangerous than other vaccinations
* many parties said they were against mandatory vaccination and then betrayed their voters. We were steadfast.

The speech is in German and can be found here https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1jMJgBmQWYlGL The Covid part is from 1:36:24 to 1:44:45

On Feb 23 are the German elections and AfD polls second.
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[personal profile] charlieobert 2025-01-18 01:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I wonder if some of the discussions we are seeing here are showing symptoms of an information network that has been deliberately confused, falsified and obfuscated. It is getting increasingly hard to pull a clear signal of real data from out of the noise.

It's difficult to get a drink of clear water out of a muddied stream.

Do I wonder if at least some of the posts on this forum were put here to deliberately confuse the discussion and blur the real data? Yes, I do - but it's unclear enough that I don't think I can point to specific posts where I am sure that is the case. It's more of a nagging feeling than a clear conviction.

Study Vitamin D3 and K2

[personal profile] boccaccio 2025-01-18 01:20 pm (UTC)(link)
This study showed efficacy of vitamin D3 + K2 against Long Covid. As usual there doesn't seem to be distinguished between LC and vaccination damage, but as in both cases spike is the main pathogen, it could be relevant for both.

The study showed efficacy with a daily dose of 240 µg K2 (pure MK-7 form) and 2000 UI vitamin D3

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/17/2/304
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Re: Mixed bag on the health front over the holidays

[personal profile] earthworm_uk 2025-01-18 01:23 pm (UTC)(link)
"I would love an esoteric discussion about cancer, I will stalk the fifth Wednesday posts and propose this in the future maybe it gets traction..."

Like 'Occult History on Illness' or something?

I've been talking with someone re coping with anxiety and panic attacks and thinking how to frame psychological 'first aid' in an occult style.
Rather than Bach flower remedies or the like, I wanted to create something that could be a first aid technique when one has nothing in a bottle but needs to calm the mind.

Riffing off The Litany Against Fear, I'm experimenting with this:

Rising Above the Polarity Storm of Emotions

I see the storm of emotion
I pause and breathe
I face the storm and remain calm
I am within the storm but rise above it like a glowing star
I see my body in the storm as my heart rides above and beyond the tempest
The body is in the storm but shining consciousness is calm and clear
The storm swirls but it cannot touch me
I use the inner eye to watch the storm
Love abides
And when the storm has gone
There is Peace
And I remain

As a litany it seems to be effective and combining with visualisation/active work also looks promising.

But, yes, your idea is attractive - a fifth Weds post on some aspect of the occult views on health would be entertaining and possibly very useful indeed; like 'Where There is no Witch Doctor' ;)

(Anonymous) 2025-01-18 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
A lot of 78 year olds with chronic respiratory conditions?

My dad died in his sleep at 75 due to a combination of heart disease and COPD. Yeah, his health took a turn for the worse after his shot, but he was hacking and wheezing for years and already in ill health before it.

Maybe he'd have lasted a few years longer otherwise, but nobody was terribly shocked when he passed. Just sad.
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Re: The Rise of Vaccine Distrust - UK Edition

[personal profile] scotlyn 2025-01-18 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
"The one thing that seems to be missing here is not all vaccines are the same..."

This is what an ordinary person might think, but it is important to note that in the *religious* sense, the sound and syllables with which one pronounceds "vaccine", together with the letters which compose it in written form, confer, all by themselves, an aura of the sacred and the holy, upon whatever pharmaceutical product blessed with the name.

This is why only the heretics, the infidels, would venture to draw distinctions between one vaccine and another, only unbelievers would try to associate the sacrament of vaccination with profane topics like effects and hazards.

This is why heretics must be called out as anti-VACCINE. For the faithful, all vaccines are holy, all vaccines are one, and all doubt or hesitation endangers the faithful and must be banished, whether it relates to one vaccine or to all vaccines.

If you were dealing with ordinary pharmaceutical products and/or ordinary clinical science, none of this would be true. But the True Belief in the life-saving powers of Sacramental Vaccination is a genuine religious movement, and its believers range from ordinary adherents to proselytising fanatics to inquisitional zealots, and therefore, all of it is true.

We cannot "science" or "reason" at a religious sensibility, there is no basis for mutual comprehension of terms.
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[personal profile] scotlyn 2025-01-18 02:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Another way to phrase might be: AS a heavy smoker with emphysema, he was probably more vulnerable and less resistant to the effects of the vax, than he would otherwise have been...

Re: England Wales Annual Deaths Data

(Anonymous) 2025-01-18 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes I want to share something similar about France :
https://image.over-blog.com/LiWEY2zZ31qg22bEJdXiYQfT-6E=/filters:no_upscale()/image%2F1492474%2F20250116%2Fob_908bda_ghr1wqnwuaa2dt2.jpg

Where I got this chart is from an article about demography but it serves our purpose here. A trend in higher annual deaths emerged from the late 2000s (like early Boomers reaching the age where probability of dying increases), then from 2020 there is THE bump. However by 2024, if these figures are to be trusted, we're back in line with the trend.

The, uh, line about births is a story for another day fellas.

~Thibault

Re: Mixed bag on the health front over the holidays

(Anonymous) 2025-01-18 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31760-Parasitic-gods&p=713343&viewfull=1#post713343

I haven't saved the message, but as far as I remember I was summing up the article and seems to be that the whole affair with The Nine, seem to be pretty much present in the current, cybernetic, ecological extremism... transhumanism and other strange mind trips.

If the Internet that served as a platform for people to work just for data to be used to train the AI, the AI that maybe designed the spike protein, the AI that did the psychological warfare are just the extreme ends of the same fractal. It seems that the entity, egregore is against the countries that doesn't share the same worldview, Russia, Iran, China, North Korea, or the unwaxxed citizens. And that the whole Nine thing looks pretty much like the worldview of that sect that starts with Scient and ends with eaulogy.

It seems that we live amongs the artefacts of this thing which somehow classifies as a weapon, if we just look at the popular culture and how sensible artist saw it if its either the Venom in spiderman, or black goo in Alien franchise... or just some invasive VALIS thing that haunted PKD .


Maybe Cancer is weapon from the past, future, or just another morphic form from another place in the current universe.

Thanks for your patience.

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