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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 176

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. I have added a new rule (see below, #6):

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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From the years 2000 - 2013, autism rates skyrocketed everywhere in California except Marin County. The difference? Marin's mostly Asian and white parents were vaccine skeptics and there was a big trend there of keeping their babies and kids completely vaccine free. (Despite all the furore about pertussis, measles, and mumps only being avoided by herd immunity, none of the dreaded childhood diseases wiped out kids in Marin County during those years).

Here is an article about it: https://ronchapman.substack.com/p/marin-county-defies-cdc-vaccine-schedule

Correlation is not causation, of course. Still, autism rates didn't go down anywhere else during those years.

The surge in autism in my highly vaccinated area of Chicagoland is scary. I have been here all my life. There truly are more autists, and it is not just a matter of diagnosis being more common or accurate. What happens when autistic adults who are not high functioning like me lose their parents due to age and infirmity? These adults are perpetual adolescents who will never be emotionally mature. They are not equipped to cook and clean for themselves, let alone hold down a full time job and pay rent or a mortgage. Though the nursing home system is waiting to swallow them, I don't think that is good at all, because nursing homes are already a race to the bottom and are most of the way there.

Lately I've had haunting visions of the future. Of course they could be complete figments of my imagination; I won't know until I get there. At any rate, I think health insurance and perhaps insurance in general will be illegal somewhere down the road, like in 100 years. Same thing goes for vaccines. Anyone caught selling or pushing these things will be punished... harshly.

Liability insurance makes sense - your interests and their interests are mostly aligned. Although even there, you need to be wary of how slippery insurance can be.

All other insurance is a scam, always has been, always will be. In any case, don't throw all the baby out with the bathwater.

I always thought that the old "catastrophic" health insurance system made more sense, and from what I've heard, it used to work. People paid out of pocket for their routine health care, which was therefore responsive to market demands, and doctors even made house calls. Those who could afford it bought "catastrophic" insurance (sometimes called "hospitalization policies" if I remember correctly) that was relatively affordable, and which kicked in only in the event of a serious accident or major illness. The system seemed to work because not everyone needed to use their health insurance policies, since they were only for emergencies. Enough people who didn't wind up needing them bought them as a hedge against catastrophe, but if something really bad did happen, you had insurance to pay for it. But that's not how "health insurance" works anymore.

I'd cynically argue that even that sort of insurance is prone not to be there when you need it the most. It's their money and they don't want to give it back. Or if they can find an excuse not to pay, they'll take it.

My response to that is that yes, that can happen, but in a system where you actually have a competitive market, there is an incentive for insurance companies to pay out benefits, or else they won't stay in business. Unlike with modern health insurance that people are basically forced to have, the old "in case of a big emergency only" policies weren't required. If the company didn't have a reputation for paying out on policies when needed, people just didn't buy them. And, the insurance companies mainly made their profit off of not paying out at all for the majority of people who never made a claim, rather than off of rejecting legitimate claims.

Although, to be fair, these policies may no longer be workable in today's environment of chronic disease. They seemed better designed to serve a baseline healthier population.

"...in a system where you actually have a competitive market..."

I've often wondered if this mythical beast has ever been spotted in the wild.

Interesting! I seem to recall coming across something a few months ago about the Amish in Pennsylvania and Ohio and how they do not 'fox' their kids for anything. And their autism rate is at the same 'baseline level' that the USA had 50 years ago. For the life of me I can't recall where I came across this study, so best to treat it as an 'anecdote' or 'data point'.

Ron M

health insurance and perhaps insurance in general will be illegal somewhere down the road, like in 100 years

Kind of like how usury was a sin in christianity, originally because there was a perception that money-lending contributed to the fall of the Roman empire. Until the reformation, and then christians decided that usury was all hunky-dory again.

What happens when autistic adults who are not high functioning like me lose their parents due to age and infirmity?

This is scary. I know some kids who never managed to leave the nest. Now they are middle-aged and their parents won't be around much longer. One of my childhood friends will probably end up looking after his brother. There needs to be some kind of group-home arrangement; but in today's world, most of those would probably end up being predatory scams.

This reminds me... I think I remember it correctly, but maybe not... someone asked James Howard Kunstler why he didn't have grossly overweight and disabled people in his World Made By Hand books. He said, "They died." When things get tough people who don't have basic competency in caring for themselves die. In order for predatory scams to be worthwhile, you need money, and most people don't have it.

(no humour intended)

The village idiot drags himself and his broom to his hut at the edge of town where he has some bread and a few scraps.
Sleeps with wind whipping through the cracks.
A few handouts keep him going and then there are the 'sweeping up' jobs.

Not many 'sweeping up' jobs these days.

I'd say in general, the more you can do for yourself, the better off you're going to be in the future.

I haven't brought this up before since I don't know much about it and it's one of the alternative medicine things that is still way, way, out there, but so many of the things that used to be way out there are now acknowledged as true in much larger circles than every before. So.
I have heard over the years that there are detox treatment protocols for vaccine injury related autism.
Keep in mind that autism is a blanket diagnosis for a number of poorly understood phenomena and there are many development aspects that simply cannot be reversed no matter what the treatment. Once a developmental stage has passed there is no going back to fix whatever went wrong. However.
I would encourage anyone one concerned with a vaccine injury to start by looking into heavy metal detoxification protocols and go from there.
Wheatgrass juice, as old fashioned and pedestrian as it is, would be a solid start. Chlorella, cilantro, and a number of other things have also been shown to be helpful.
This is not medical advice; I'm not an expert. What I'm offering is a indication of a possible path through the wilderness. As far as I know finding the way through will be a huge challenge. If you choose to seek this way, best wishes and may the Gods be with you.

Have a niece, now in her mid thirties who is not "high functioning" and it has been accepted that when her parent can't keep her anymore, her older sisters will take her in. I have two affected nephews who are on their own, seem emotionally stable, but really shun others and dislike physical contact. After almost 50 years in a relationship I cannot imagine being alone.

I was married and had a relationship for roughly the same length of time; couple decades each.
Been alone for over a decade.
Five years licking my wounds over a BIG mistake I couldn't undo, then the scamdemic.
Maybe too picky.
Maybe too broke.
Maybe too eccentric.
Bought a can of ginger ale tonight.
'No wife. No girlfriend. But I got a can of ginger ale.'
:-) :-) :-)

I'm not sure the health insurance industry as we know survives much longer, let alone a 100 years. Medicare and Medicaid are vastly underfunded and crushing the Federal budget in the U.S.

If (or when) the economy crashes, I would guess Medicare and Medicaid become early causalities as .Fed scrambles to maintain cash flow for more critical things like Social Security, Defense, infrastructure and the bloat related to Federal employee and political salaries. In a couple of years I'll be eligible for Medicare and what it turns into, but the ObamaCare program I'm on today ($1.81 per month, with a $1500 tax rebate on the back end paying the rest of the premium) doesn't appear long for this world.....

This may be beneficial in the long-run to get back to the localized "Gunsmoke Character Doc" we had up through the 1950s or so. But I would guess there will be millions squeezed out of essential care of treatments and drugs along the way. Availability of vaccines may be difficult, even for the one or two that actually work.

Since health "care" went from 4% of GDP to over 20% in the US over the last 60 years, I expect it to be one of the first industries to collapse.

I've always thought that "better diagnosis" argument was nonsense.

Thing is, I CAN totally believe that what we used to call "Asperger's syndrome" might just be "better diagnosed." I do remember the occasional elderly people from my youth who were what people used to call "odd" - a bit socially awkward, into some unusual hobby, very literal, worked in some job that required a lot of precision, etc. They were all high-functioning and some of them were married and had kids, they were just a tad peculiar. So I tend to believe that conditions resembling what we now call "mild high-functioning autism-spectrum" have been around for quite a while, or may even be a normal part of human variation.

But what I do not remember in elderly people is any sort of severe autism. I'd never even heard of autism until the 1990s. If it's just "better diagnosis", then where are all the severely autistic older people, or the stories from older relatives about them? I don't buy it. I think the only way you can claim "better diagnosis" is by conflating two ends of a vast spectrum, and ignoring that fact that only one end of it used to be in any way common.

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