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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2024-12-17 10:53 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 176

anti-fooderWe are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. I have added a new rule (see below, #6):

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.


5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.


With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Fauci

(Anonymous) 2024-12-17 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I’m reading “the real Anthony Fauci”
Ohh my… Fauci is one of the main villains of this century.
Not that is alone by any means.
A few things struck me (I’m only an 1/3 through the book)
-How is Fauci not in prison?

-Much of what has been negatively attributed to Trump and to Biden with regards to all things COVID is actually Fauci. Maybe better to say that “they” followed the dictates of Mr. The Science.

- Since the legal system is failing to protect the populace from this high level fuckery…we are going to see an increase in vigilantism.

- So called agendas to bring down world population drastically are starting to seem not so far fetched. Particularly Mr.S’s seeming obsession with gain of function research.

- lastly, I feel like I’m falling for another “to good to be true” government official in JFK. Could he be one of the best placements of a cabinet official for the actual betterment of society that I’ve ever seen?….or just another limited hangout?..

Oh Canada!

(Anonymous) 2024-12-17 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
To Ron and other regular Canadian readers, how's it going? How you feeling about the recent turn of events? I'm hopeful for you and I would love to see Fidel Jr leave his post. My only lament is, there doesn't seem to be someone to fill the void. Curious to what you think?

(Anonymous) 2024-12-17 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
My theory: the COVID vaccine was rushed (emphasis on RUSHED) because of pressure by big money interests who were petrified of an economic collapse if our society took the time to do actual safety and efficacy testing of the vaccines. It would take years, and our debt-ridden house-of-cards economy can only afford to wait “weeks”.

Big money in the US (and also western countries) would rather risk having horrific “adverse events” among the peons than risk losing money (bonds, stocks, commercial real estate, …)

As George Carlin once said about the oligarchs, "it’s a club … and you ain’t in it”. And to the oligarchs, anyone not in the club doesn’t matter in the slightest.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-17 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
That theory is false, because all other alternatives were actively suppressed. If money interests were petrified of an economic collapse, they would have promoted every possible solution to get out of the mess ASAP.

Vaxxes were actively promoted as the only solution to get out of the mess, which makes me think that the "plandemic" explanation is more legitimate. The insiders used the opportunity to push as many questionable technologies as possible, because the public would be too scared to say no. Moreover, they also kept the public scared by using the media.

Re: Oh Canada!

(Anonymous) 2024-12-17 07:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I am in Ontario
Im just watching it unfold really..

seems to me trudeau has been in trouble for awhile but he somehow still seems to hang in there, so I dont really know if he will pull it off again or not.
I am guessing we will end up with pierre poilievre, i dont actually know a lot about him, and I certainly dont trust him.. but who else could it be?

(Anonymous) 2024-12-17 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
That's one way of putting it.... more accurately, in my opinion, is that if they had used the proper testing and licensing pathways, the whole "pandemic" would have blown over without any intervention, which would have been both a missed "business opportunity" and also a huge humiliation to the whole class of scientists and politicians that had been screaming from the top of their lungs that the end was neigh.... People might have been starting to ask why they were “locking down” and “socially distancing” when the whole thing resolved itself without the whole of mankind being heroically saved by Antony Fauci, Bill Gates and the other pundits.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-17 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Moderna Halts mRNA RSV Vaccine Trial for Children After Five Infants were Hospitalized

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/moderna-halts-mrna-rsv-vaccine-trial-children-after/

(Anonymous) 2024-12-17 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
this seems crazy to me.

Sam’s Club begins offering dangerous chemical abortion pills

https://www.lifesitenews.com/analysis/sams-club-begins-offering-dangerous-chemical-abortion-pills/
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Argentinian study finds 55 undeclared elements in covid vaccine

[personal profile] open_space 2024-12-17 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
A friend of mine sent me this paper earlier today about the work of an Argentinian researcher. I have not been able to check the reputation and history of the journal, but still thought of sharing it here.

Here is the abstract:
The experimental vaccines supposedly invented to combat COVID-19 were coercively forced upon the global population beginning late in 2020. They have precipitated innumerable and varied disease conditions ranging from mild to lethal. This increase in health disorders and sudden deaths began to manifest concomitantly with the number of people inoculated and doses administered per person. By the end of 2023, 24 undeclared chemical elements had been detected by Scanning Electron Microscopy Coupled with Energy-Dispersive X-Ray Spectroscopy (SEM-EDX), in the COVID-19 vaccines of the different brands, by various research groups from different countries around the world. In this paper, we report laboratory results from high precision Inductively Coupled Plasma Mass Spectrometry (ICP-MS) that confirm and expand previous results by SEM-EDX. To this end, the contents of vials from different lots of the brands AstraZeneca/Oxford, CanSino Biologics, Pfizer/BioNTech, Sinopharm, Moderna and Sputnik V were analyzed. Among the undeclared chemical elements were detected 11 of the 15 cytotoxic lanthanides used in electronic devices and optogenetics. In addition, among the undeclared elements were all 11 of the heavy metals: chromium was found in 100% of the samples; arsenic 82%; nickel 59%; cobalt and copper 47%; tin 35%; cadmium, lead and manganese in 18%; and mercury in 6%. A total of 55 undeclared chemical elements were found and quantified with ICP-MS. Combining these findings with results from SEM-EDX, altogether 62 undeclared chemical elements have been found in the various products. In all brands, we found boron, calcium, titanium, aluminum, arsenic, nickel, chromium, copper, gallium, strontium, niobium, molybdenum, barium and hafnium. With ICP-MS, we found that the content of the samples is heterogeneous, the elemental composition varies in different aliquots extracted from the same vial.

At Least 55 Undeclared Chemical Elements Found in COVID-19 Vaccines from AstraZeneca, CanSino, Moderna, Pfizer, Sinopharm and Sputnik V, with Precise ICP-MS
Edited 2024-12-17 19:57 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2024-12-17 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
The vaccines were rushed because the early treatment programs using well trotted and understood. Drugs was being so successful that by the time the vaccines went through the regular regulatory process there wouldn’t be a pandemic to vaccine against.
Funny, the motivations that come from the prospect of billions and billions of dollars

(Anonymous) 2024-12-17 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, a key figure in uncovering controversial bioweapons programs, has been k*lled in a Moscow explosion triggered by an explosive device.

Kirillov gained international attention for investigating alleged U.S.-backed biolabs in Ukraine, claiming they were researching methods to spark a pandemic and frame Russia.

He publicly denounced COVID-19 as a man-made virus created by the U.S. government and exposed the involvement of vaccine giants Pfizer and Moderna in U.S. military and biological operations in Ukraine.

He went further and revealed that Hunter Biden’s Rosemont Seneca Investment Fund and the Soros Foundation were financing Ukrainian biolaboratories.

https://nitter.poast.org/ShadowofEzra/status/1869010577130926502#m

clip at link

and here is another article, within which is a story about him talking about the pandemic

SHOCK VIDEO: Ukraine Assassinates Russian Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Defense Chief, General Kirillov, in Moscow Bomb Blast in Major Escalation

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/shock-video-ukraine-assassinates-russian-nuclear-chemical-biological/
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Re: New Rule

[personal profile] scotlyn 2024-12-17 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this rule! Much appreciated! :)
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[personal profile] scotlyn 2024-12-17 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
The RFK Jr book on Fauci is mentioned above. And not everyone knows that at least 7 chapters of that book focus on the HIV/AIDS episode of malfeasance.

If you are interested in reading back on the controversies of those decades - you can search around in the following two (rather dated looking, but informative) websites:
https://www.virusmyth.com/aids/

or
https://www.rethinkingaids.com/

Interestingly the second of these mentions the intention of working up a HIV/AIDS informed critique of the Covid years. This introductory article lays it out.
https://www.rethinkingaids.com/index.php/introduction

I have yet to find the proposed follow up site, but there is a great deal to chew over in that one article.

For example:
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The fact is, our original suspicions were correct - there was no credible scientific evidence to support the claim that "HIV" caused "AIDS", and 35 years later. there still isn't any evidence. That may be shocking to hear, but it's true.

Fast forward nearly forty years to "Covid-19", and what does one find? The same scare tactics, the same contradictions, the same wrong predictions, the same bogus tests, the same deadly treatment approach, all this but more global, more coordinated, and even more socially destructive. And the General leading the charge? Anthony Fauci.

A central function of the new Rethinking AIDS/Unmasking Covid is to expose for all to see, this profound relationship between "Covid-19" and "HIV/AIDS". As the original "AIDS dissidents", we are uniquely equipped for the task.

But this time it's different.

Back in the 1980's, we felt scientifically obliged to give Fauci et al the benefit of the doubt, i.e., to assume that he and the advocates for the HIV/AIDS hypothesis simply committed a major scientific error. However, the fact that with "Covid-19" they have made the exact same error, but on a scale a thousand times larger, means neither "HIV/AIDS" nor "Corona/Covid" were errors; they were both highly organized and fully premeditated marketing devices.

The goal of science is the truth. The goal of marketing is the sale. "HIV/AIDS" and "Corona/Covid" were not discovered; they were sold, primarily through fear and lies of omission. Their function was to guarantee lucrative government contracts for Fauci's drug and vaccine industry projects. It's that simple!
END QUOTE

And by the way, in my view the phrase used here - "The goal of science is the truth. The goal of marketing is the sale" - is a real keeper. Because "making the sale" is an excellent description of the pressure placed upon people both to buy, and also to ask no questions.

[personal profile] boccaccio 2024-12-17 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know much about HIV, but I know that the Mexican flu in 2009 was a hoax that used many of the same scare tactics of the Coof. Back then I did extensive research into the scam and that gave me a headstart when Covid came. It's just mind boggling that people can be so callous with the health of millions of other people.

Re: Argentinian study finds 55 undeclared elements in covid vaccine

[personal profile] weilong 2024-12-17 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Glancing at the paper, it looks like they have used extremely sensitive methods to detect minute quantities of various elements and chemicals. The tables list concentrations in micrograms/liter, which works out to parts-per-billion. I don't have any reference materials handy to check against the standards, but I would guess most of that stuff is well within accepted limits.

Stuff like boron and calcium could come from the glass vial. Varius metals could come from the stainless steel equipment the stuff was made it. Some amount of contamination of this kind is unavoidable, and these levels could probably be found in anything, if you look hard enough. That's why there are internationally accepted limits for how much there can be.

I couldn't say whether that makes it safe to inject the stuff into a human body. But if we're quibbling about this level of contamination, pretty much all injectable drugs would be suspect. I mean, it wouldn't be just these particular experimental gene therapies that are problematic.

Re: Oh Canada!

(Anonymous) 2024-12-17 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel hopeful, compared to last month or so when it still felt pretty oppressive. My sense is there's been a change in the air.

-Bofur

Re: Oh Canada!

(Anonymous) 2024-12-17 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Couple weeks ago Trump criticized Canada's 'negotiator' representing Canada in a trade deal a few years ago. He said she was 'terrible.' That would be Freeland.

She is of course the queen of Kiev as well so there's that burden on her as well.


(Anonymous) 2024-12-17 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)

I am reminded of "To Serve Man", a science fiction short story by Damon Knight (1950) and the basis for an episode of 'Twilight Zone' (1962). Corporate malfeasance, while nothing new and widespread among all or nearly all industries and institutions, seems to be getting worse and becoming evermore opportunistic, with ever fewer accessible protections for the vast majority of people. "Profits before people" is disguised as "We here to help".

Re: Fauci

(Anonymous) 2024-12-18 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
I read it a couple of years ago and decided not to get boosted. His skepticism on the Polio vax and on HIV/AIDS in the second half leave me scratching my head.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-18 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
Russia To Launch Free Cancer Vaccine in 2025

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-launch-free-cancer-vaccine-2025-2001432

..its kind of too bad, really.. ppl wont trust a vax much now.. and this one might actually work..

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Re: New Rule

[personal profile] open_space 2024-12-18 01:01 am (UTC)(link)

I share the sentiment. Link dumping definitely takes away the edge of the conversational vibe and starts to make it feel a little indifferent and lonely, like "social media".

Re: Fauci

[personal profile] slinky_weasel 2024-12-18 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
There's some chatter about "preemptive pardons" for fauci et al. Of course, after what they did to me with the whole Cooties thing, I don't want that. But more than that, numerous pardons for crimes that haven't be adjudicated yet sets a very bad precedent, I think. As in, "our Administration is full of criminals, but they're OUR criminals! And then right before we leave office, everyone gets a pardon and it's all good." This is not the country I want to live in.

Re: Oh Canada!

(Anonymous) 2024-12-18 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
It has been entertaining to watch Trump the Changer give Canada’s cage its first little rattle – and our Minister of Finance/Deputy Prime Minister resigns, and our Dear Tyrant appoints his close friend as her replacement (in classic ‘crumbling regime’ fashion) and then runs away and hides (like he always does when he feels lack of control). Since the (now former) Minister of Finance was nicknamed the ‘Wicked Witch of the WEF’, memes about the witch melting have abounded. It is always a relief to see one’s oppressors panic and demonstrate to all who have eyes what cowards and buffoons they are.

Entertainment value aside, it is sad to see the burning horseless wagon called ‘Canada’ lurching down a rocky gulch with its wheels coming off their axles. The spirit of change is in the air as well as the smell of blood. But nobody knows when an election will be called and/or whether the clowns in blue suits (Conservatives) will make the circus better once the clowns in red suits (Liberals) are fired by ‘the people’. The country is being over-run by foreigners, our social services are collapsing at an alarming rate, homelessness is endemic in every city and town, and war is on the horizon at a time when the country has a fighting force of 3,000 (max) with no weapons to use other than sharpened popsicle sticks. As Alice Cooper sang about Hell, “Having a wonderful time, my dear, wish you were here!”

Ron M

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