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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2024-11-19 10:22 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 172

how's that for a recordWe are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.


5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.


With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)
udge tosses ‘vexatious’ Canadian Armed Forces vaccine mandate lawsuit over lack of ‘material facts’

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/caf-vaccine-mandate-lawsuit-dismissed

Re: 'Virulence seems to be increasing

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
No, the opera's not over yet; but The Fat Lady is on in 5.... 4.... 3.... 2....

Re: 'Virulence seems to be increasing

[personal profile] escorcher 2024-11-20 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Sometimes the threat is real, Fred.
And sometimes it isn't.
And unfortunately it all gets entwined in manipulation, power, fear, ignorance and even stupidity. More rarely there's malice involved too. Then we are left trying to sort out fact from fiction. But it ain't all fiction, unfortunately.

Basically I think you're being overly dismissive of the dangers of mass disease caused by microorganisms and yes, hitting a compromised terrain most often.

You already know my stance on germ theory so we don't need to go over that again.

I am pretty questioning of a lot of vixenation now where I wasn't before. We share that:)


Edited 2024-11-20 16:59 (UTC)

Re: 'Virulence seems to be increasing

[personal profile] escorcher 2024-11-20 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow.

Just, wow.

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember back in 2009 reading in a John Robbins book (Reclaiming Our Health) about studies that were done on school children. Their behavior and affect significantly improved when artifical colors, flavorings, and other additives were removed from their food. Dr. Cate Shanahan's books on how food affects gene expression have also been a big wake-up call for me lately. Then I think about how completely off kilter and checked out I feel just from eating too much sugar, and I easily believe the heaps of chemical crud in so-called food could have substantial effects on mental health. I've long since given up on any real research being conducted on it, because of profit motives in the food industry. But if certain dangerous additives do get banned, I'll be sitting here with my organic, non-gmo coconut oil popcorn waiting to see what comes of it.

Andy T.

Shepherds For Sale by Megan Basham

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Hello All: A while ago there was some curiosity on the Covid Post about this book. I've since read it and decided to report back. Basham's main argument is that American church leaders "have traded the truth for a leftist agenda." She explores several topics including immigration, abortion, climate change, and most relevant to this space, Covid.

The chapter on Covid is the best in the book. I was fascinated to learn how much effort was put into getting church leaders on board with the restrictions and foxes. Francis Collins himself spoke to many of them, by zoom of course. He apparently made much of his Catholic faith in these conversations. I found the twisting of scripture and Christian principles to advance authoritian actions hard to read. But important. I also found out that a few Christian leaders I had admired were more on board with the Covid discrimination then I had thought. Based on published writings, I had understood that Tim Keller and NT Wright supported the foxes but thought that people of faith and discernment could come to a different, valid, conclusion. Turns out they supported discrimination against the unfoxed.

The other chapters in the book are thought provoking and well argued. However, I only recommend them to those that are very interested in church politics or the proliferation of progressive politics. Bashan presents strong factual arguments, but her writing is very dense and not engaging enough to encourage a casual reader.

Side note - Basham shares her conversion story in the last chapter. It's really the only personal part of the book. I love conversation stories. Hers is a good one and very well told.


Cheers, Heloise





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Re: Thanks, gee, my blood pressure had been a bit low...

[personal profile] transcriberb 2024-11-20 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
So many people who took the experimental gene jabs lost their health and, on top of that, their job, and on top of that, their life savings. Add to that, they got gaslighting and disbelief from their doctors and, in some cases, from their own family members. There are unending heartwrenching stories. I have only transcribed a small selection:
https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/21040.html

That link goes to testimonies from the bereaved and injured. I'll be making of list of just the injured as I make further progress with the index of the transcripts later this year and in 2005.

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
My line of thinking these days as well.

For anyone who doesn't already know, the person who has looked into early spread in detail is Bill Rice, Jr.:
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/early-spread-evidence-in-one-document
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Re: Thanks, gee, my blood pressure had been a bit low...

[personal profile] jenniferkobernik 2024-11-20 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I agree that it’s never going to be a 100% guarantee, but for a vaccine that actually is highly effective, it does make it less likely that the proverbial kid with cancer catches the disease if everyone around them is vaccinated (or naturally immune) than if they aren’t (although this change is not linear and may be negligible depending on the proportion of the population which is vaccinated or naturally immune). I also agree that for vulnerable individuals, it is better if they aren’t exposed to such situations in the first place. Of course that is not always possible, but that isn’t an excuse for infringing on the rights of others or taking unnecessary risks. Again, I don’t think this is reason to mandate any vaccination, much less the COVID vax. But more people in a population choosing not to get vaccinated (provided a vaccine is highly effective) does actually increase the risk that those who cannot get vaccinated or whose vaccines fail will become infected. So it isn’t actually an inherently stupid argument to say that other people getting vaccinated *with an effective vaccine* can help protect someone (even if that person is vaccinated themselves). It isn’t an admission that vaccines are ineffective; in fact it’s the opposite, and only holds true if the vaccines are actually effective. If vaccines (or natural immunity) are ineffective or not long-lasting, then it doesn’t matter how many people get vaccinated or catch the disease, it’s going to keep circulating regardless. How many vaccines are actually highly effective at preventing transmission and what the real side effects of those vaccines are is another question, however.
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Re: Thanks, gee, my blood pressure had been a bit low...

[personal profile] jenniferkobernik 2024-11-20 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, virtually everything about the COVID debacle was a travesty. I chose not to vaccinate and also to host our wedding and then get pregnant and give birth during COVID, so I definitely got my fair share of being harangued as a Bad Person. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Re: Shepherds For Sale by Megan Basham

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting.

The Devil has always quoted scripture of course, with great ingenuity.

That they rushed to get injected, persecuted members of their congregations who declined to be masked or vaccinated, and endorsed general societal discrimination, exposed their religious faith for what it always was: a worthless pretence.

What faith in the Divine did they show, what Christian brotherhood and true compassion? Thankfully, no priest or theologian can have anyone burnt at the stake these days, but they can still wreck lives through treachery. If only they had stood firm!

The fearful ones were clinging to the world like any atheist materialist.

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
'One corpse is a tragedy: thousands are no longer material facts'?

I do hope all these corrupt judges are thoroughly vaxxed up. Wicked I know, but....

Re: Thanks, gee, my blood pressure had been a bit low...

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
It is in my opinion also not reasonable to ask any healthy person to accept a medical intervention that has a risk to them because it might "protect" someone else. No one should be forced to accept a medical risk for someone else's sake, period. We don't even coerce people to donate blood, and that's relatively low-risk.

It's not necessarily unreasonable to ask people to do things that involve no risk to help protect someone else. For example, if one kid in preschool has a severe peanut allergy, asking everyone else to refrain from bringing peanut butter for lunch might dismay some toddler who loves pb&j, but it doesn't impose any potential risk of harm on others - but that is not true of vaccines.

One can debate the topic of how much the majority should be inconvenienced to accommodate the minority in various situations, but the bottom line is that "inconvenience" is fundamentally different from "subject to a medical risk."

Re: Bhattacharya for NIH?

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Bhattacharya was still pushing the vaxxes for the elderly when their toxicity was already patently obvious from the VAERs reports.

Smooth, but incompetent, grossly negligent, and not to be trusted.

Re: Bhattacharya for NIH?

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
And his Great Barrington colleague Prof Sunetra Gupta from Oxford won't say a word against the Covid vaxes.

She knows which side her (research grant) bread is buttered on.
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[personal profile] transcriberb 2024-11-20 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Update on the 2021-2023 List of Transcriptions-- which project got its start here on this forum in 2021 (thank you, JMG!!)—

List of Transcriptions
Home page: https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/

Although I limit it (with counted exceptions) to 2021-2023, I'm still at it, planning to post daily through the end of this year, and then continue, albeit less frequently, into 2025.

If you're following my updates to the List of Transcriptions on my substack, https://transcriberb.substack.com/ it may seem a bit random the way they come out, one on jab mandates, a couple on neurological injuries, then, say, two or three or four on masks, and so on. It's not in fact random; I transcribe censored and shadow-banned video that basically falls into 3 categories: 1-Experts Speak Out; 2-Injured and Bereaved Speak Out: 3-Do Not Comply. I've been working on an index for a while now, it still has a way to go, but I think the structure of the collection is coming into ever better focus, as are its lacunae.

For example, last night, for the index, I gathered together the Ireland and United Kingdom posts. You can view that page here:
https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/188122.html

(There are several more from Ireland and the UK that I've yet to post, however.)

On the substack, random as it may appear, I do try to pair or otherwise group a few of these as come out. Recently I posted a batch of public comments addressed to the San Diego County Board of Supervisors (some outstanding personalities there!!); this week, over 4 days, I'm featuring testimonies by pharmacists (from Australia, Colorado, Washington State, and Florida).

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this. I'm quite sure this is the case.

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
the food additives as I have heard RFK Jr describe them are like we are being fed pure poison.

I have no doubt MUCH would clear up (and thus, just maybe, reveal all).

Re: Trump's Dance Move Is Spreading

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 07:26 pm (UTC)(link)
'Dancing like Hitler' has a certain buzz to it....


Re: 'Virulence seems to be increasing

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey I just thought of something. Imagine 'studies' about shampoo that show how they clean the 'hair' and hair 'properties' but actually they osmose
brain-altering chemicals into you and alter your personality quite deliberately.

ha. But not far off I. don't think.

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I think next time )knock on wood NOT(


there will be QUITE emotional arguments between people in public over these issues.

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
This is one of those stories that shocks you into realizing perhaps you're in a bubble. Had been following this lawsuit with some interest, had assumed from interviews Catherine had done that it was a slam dunk.

I'm also reminded of something that I had mulled posting on Magic Monday, didn't bother (because I don't need to hear the sound of my own voice), but might as well throw it out here, which is that I've seen a lot of people online in the wake of the US election saying stuff like, "the contrast couldn't be more stark. There's a sense of joy and renewed optimism in the US and no light at the end of the tunnel in Soviet Canada; no sign of any new u-turns or detours being taken."

Of course, wallow in dejection as you like (I doubt it's healthy), but either way I only say that I was going to post this in Magic Monday because I've seen a few astrologers on Twitter confirming that indeed, the stars seems to be telling us that the USA is heading off in a new direction, a fresh start. It doesn't feel that way in Canada (for now) and so I wondered if there are any astrologers with anything to say.

-Bofur

Re: Shepherds For Sale by Megan Basham

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
This book sounds really interesting, thank you for the recommendation.

As someone who had a very positive experience growing up attending church, the story of my adult life is intricately bound up with the flight of my broader church-connected community away from actual faith and into liberal dogmatism. The great covid betrayal shocked me deeply, no matter how much it made sense (in retrospect) with regard to ideological trends of the preceding years.

Currently I am not a member of any church, but destiny has decreed for me a part-time job as a church musician in an ultra-woke mainline Protestant congregation that pushed the jabs. The social justice-themed preaching I listen to politely each Sunday *still* has nothing to say about the massive injustices of the covid era. And they wonder why the pews are so empty these days.

Dylan
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[personal profile] claire_58 2024-11-20 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I asked about the Canadian and US charts some time ago. Ottawa is the same longitude as Washington so it is essentially the same chart for both countries. IIRC JMG said that there would be some similarities in the trends in both countries but the details of the manifestations would be very different because of the differences in the social-cultural and political realities.
The recent changes in Canada's immigration policy gives me some hope that there will be significant shifts here too. I doubt they will be as dramatic as they are in the US.

(Anonymous) 2024-11-20 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
"Ottawa is the same longitude as Washington"

I'll be jiggered, I never noticed this before. Anyway, thx.

-B

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