ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 153

We are now winding up the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Oh, I knew it was the same person. As forum host I get to see everyone's IP addresses.

1) Thank you. You've just specified one of the tests we can now use to assess whether my hypothesis has any validity or not. That's helpful.

2) Au contraire, there are quite a few, including central nervous system issues, endocrine issues, and abdominal issues. Here's a useful summary:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8307931/

Nor is it at all certain that sudden death immediately after jabs is caused by the same thing, or the same cluster of things, that cause sudden death months or years later. It's the latter that are relevant to my hypothesis. Also, of course, 30 is a small sample size and 5 out of 30 is a fairly modest share.

What I need to find next is the article I read years ago about sudden death as a result of plague. The claim was, as I recall, that the immunosuppressive effects of the strain of Y. pestis that caused the Black Death kept the body from reacting at all until pathogen levels had risen to the point of causing sudden organ failure. One Renaissance artist who died of plague, according to contemporary accounts, was out drinking with friends and started to feel unwell; they walked him home, he climbed the stairs to his front door, and then tumbled back down them again, stone cold dead. The doctors who examined the corpse found signs of plague all over it. But I need to find that reference!

Thanks, that was educational. It looks like I'm using "sudden death" differently than professionals do. I was thinking of cases where someone looks fine, playing soccer or sitting at his desk, and then suddenly, splat, goes down. If you have severe pneumonia or a ruptured ectopic pregnancy you're liable to have looked sick all day and spend at least a few minutes gasping for breath or screaming in agony - the coworkers or family won't be saying "She looked fine...." But if someone is found dead who died alone without seeking help, I guess they can't know whether he was instantly unconscious, or just didn't call fast enough and was too far gone near the end to crawl to the phone or door.

I agree 5 out of 30 (the German autopsy study) is not a lot, and yet, it was definitive (as have others been, now). People who haven't recently gotten vaxxed have fatal heart attacks, strokes, etc. all the time, so the official claim was that all those deaths were unrelated. The myocarditis was a cause of death that normally would not be expected to be found in such a group of people, and was known to be triggered by the jabs but waved off as "harmless." To prove that not all swans are white (all deaths unrelated) you only have to prove that one swan is black (causality proven).

As for plague, the bubonic version was famously agonizing and people suffered a lot. But it could also focus on the lungs (pneumonic plague) or, less famously, become septicemic. This article:

https://ufhealth.org/conditions-and-treatments/plague

says that the septicemic version "may cause death even before severe symptoms occur", while the pneumonic version "develops rapidly." Perhaps because this artist was drinking, he didn't notice that he was starting to feel ill, or attributed the symptoms to drunkenness?

Cessair

The septicemic form is I suspect the one that got the painter. It's also the thing that I have a worried eye on in the present case, since if the vaccines do cause some sort of general immune failure -- which the explosion in "turbo cancers" and all cause death rates seems to suggest -- one way that could play out is asymptomatic bacteremia with inadequate immune system activation, and from there to sudden death due to septicemic shock is no great leap. Hard evidence showing that this isn't happening to the vaccinated would be very welcome just now.

Hi JMG,

I don't have any link regards the plague but I do recommend you look at the Rintrah link I replied to your hypothesis with yesterday.

https://www.rintrah.nl/why-people-are-now-constantly-sick-all-the-time/

e.g. from his post is this:
"One of the differences you see between vaccinated and unvaccinated people, is that the immune system relies more on the Natural Killer cells to kill infected cells in the unvaccinated, than on cytotoxic T cells.

This fits what you see in mice too. You see a sixfold increase in NK cells in the lungs upon SARS-COV-2 infection in unvaccinated mice, but not in vaccinated mice. You also see a huge increase in plasmacytoid dendritic cells in the lungs of the unvaccinated mice, but not in the vaccinated mice. These plasmacytoid dendritic cells are extremely important, because they are among the first cells to ring the alarm bells when a virus shows up.

When they find viral material, they start secreting enormous amounts of Interferon alpha. This is called Interferon, because it directly interferes with viral replication at many stages of the process. This Interferon Alpha also serves to wake up the NK cells, which then produce Interferon Gamma, which also interferes with viral replication in cells..."

It's pretty supportive of your hypothesis anyway I think. Interferon suppression and evasion is the area you're looking at with pathogens I believe - this is maybe somewhere to start with it but this area of immune biology has complexity!:

'Immunomodulatory Role of Interferons in Viral and Bacterial Infections'
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10298684/

Edited 2024-07-11 20:29 (UTC)

Re: 1300s plague being the deadliest.

A quick search unearthed this article from SBS News Australia in 2011:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/why-the-black-death-was-so-lethal/4d27hb9bj

The pertinent part regards the article you're trying to find/remember is this:

"Remarkably, more recent variants of the bacterium hardly vary compared to the original microbe, says the paper.

"Based on the reconstructed genome, we can say that the medieval plague is close to the root of all modern human pathogenic plague strains," said Krause.

"The ancient plague strain does not carry a single position that cannot be found in the same state in modern strains."

This deep similarity between ancient and modern plague calls into question the long-held assumption that virulence-enhancing mutations are what made Y. pestis so deadly to the Middle Ages."

Basically, the current working theory is based around a susceptible and naive 'terrain' more than a particularly virulent early pathogen. Earlier theories were linked to virulence of Yersinia pestis it appears.

This article has more on the sample collection and genetic reconstruction behind the change of emphasis: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/black-death-genome/

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