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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 153
We are now winding up the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks. So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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I'm entirely willing to see this hypothesis disproved, but please do try to address what I'm actually saying!
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(Anonymous) 2024-07-09 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)You're certainly right to say that stressful infections can cause cardiac symptoms. If you get flu you are more likely to have a heart attack in the two weeks after you fall ill than in the two weeks before. Some truly sudden deaths are from massive heart attacks or strokes, but more are probably from malignant arrhythmias. I don't know of any evidence that ordinary bugs trigger arrhythmia, though it's not impossible. But as for "general immune system failure" causing it, in the proximity of a bug or otherwise, there are people who are seriously immunodeficient across the board, for no matter what antigen - say, people who have organ transplants and take immunosuppressive drugs. They are more prone to a number of fatal health problems, including cancers as well as infections, but sudden cardiac death is not high on the list.
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2) First, how many of these cases of sudden death have actually been followed up by a detailed autopsy to determine that acute cardiac symptoms are actually the cause of death? "His heart stopped" is a pretty general feature of death, you know. Second, since my hypothesis suggests a novel cause of immune failure, insisting that other causes of immune failure don't have the same effect doesn't cut it. This is a new situation. My hypothesis offers a potential avenue for investigation that might point to a cause.
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(Anonymous) 2024-07-09 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)This was not a problem until now because even though some people have compromised immune systems, they are not common enough for pathogens to be able to spread from person to person far before they run into immune systems which will go into overdrive and cause serious collateral damage in order to destroy them.
Sadly I haven't been able to track down the study again, but it makes evolutionary sense.
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(Anonymous) 2024-07-10 12:53 am (UTC)(link)For now, without actually testing different groups of people for antibody responses, I don't see any way to disentangle lowered herd immunity from mRNA exposure from lowered herd immunity from excess social distancing. If cold numbers get back to normal a year or two after everyone's behaving normally again, then either it was an effect of the pandemic or it was a temporary effect of the jabs; if they don't, then a lasting effect of the jabs is more probable. (I would be surprised if such a condition was progressive in people who don't keep on and on getting jabbed; if someone developed an autoimmune condition that would be more likely to be permanent but is somewhat the opposite in nature.)
As for sudden death, there aren't all that many conditions that kill you too fast to call 911. They're usually cardiovascular in some fashion (arrhythmia, heart attack, stroke, burst aneurysm). One of the autopsy studies that proved the jabs do cause sudden death acutely found that 5 of 30 people who'd died shortly after one of them had their hearts full of white blood cells, proving that they'd had autoimmune myocarditis. These were mostly middle-aged people, BTW, not young men. Had those people not died at the time, they'd likely have had scarring that would increase their risk of malignant arrhythmias months or years down the road.
If you don't mind I will call myself, a bit immodestly,
Cessair
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1) Thank you. You've just specified one of the tests we can now use to assess whether my hypothesis has any validity or not. That's helpful.
2) Au contraire, there are quite a few, including central nervous system issues, endocrine issues, and abdominal issues. Here's a useful summary:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8307931/
Nor is it at all certain that sudden death immediately after jabs is caused by the same thing, or the same cluster of things, that cause sudden death months or years later. It's the latter that are relevant to my hypothesis. Also, of course, 30 is a small sample size and 5 out of 30 is a fairly modest share.
What I need to find next is the article I read years ago about sudden death as a result of plague. The claim was, as I recall, that the immunosuppressive effects of the strain of Y. pestis that caused the Black Death kept the body from reacting at all until pathogen levels had risen to the point of causing sudden organ failure. One Renaissance artist who died of plague, according to contemporary accounts, was out drinking with friends and started to feel unwell; they walked him home, he climbed the stairs to his front door, and then tumbled back down them again, stone cold dead. The doctors who examined the corpse found signs of plague all over it. But I need to find that reference!
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(Anonymous) 2024-07-10 01:32 pm (UTC)(link)I agree 5 out of 30 (the German autopsy study) is not a lot, and yet, it was definitive (as have others been, now). People who haven't recently gotten vaxxed have fatal heart attacks, strokes, etc. all the time, so the official claim was that all those deaths were unrelated. The myocarditis was a cause of death that normally would not be expected to be found in such a group of people, and was known to be triggered by the jabs but waved off as "harmless." To prove that not all swans are white (all deaths unrelated) you only have to prove that one swan is black (causality proven).
As for plague, the bubonic version was famously agonizing and people suffered a lot. But it could also focus on the lungs (pneumonic plague) or, less famously, become septicemic. This article:
https://ufhealth.org/conditions-and-treatments/plague
says that the septicemic version "may cause death even before severe symptoms occur", while the pneumonic version "develops rapidly." Perhaps because this artist was drinking, he didn't notice that he was starting to feel ill, or attributed the symptoms to drunkenness?
Cessair
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I don't have any link regards the plague but I do recommend you look at the Rintrah link I replied to your hypothesis with yesterday.
https://www.rintrah.nl/why-people-are-now-constantly-sick-all-the-time/
e.g. from his post is this:
"One of the differences you see between vaccinated and unvaccinated people, is that the immune system relies more on the Natural Killer cells to kill infected cells in the unvaccinated, than on cytotoxic T cells.
This fits what you see in mice too. You see a sixfold increase in NK cells in the lungs upon SARS-COV-2 infection in unvaccinated mice, but not in vaccinated mice. You also see a huge increase in plasmacytoid dendritic cells in the lungs of the unvaccinated mice, but not in the vaccinated mice. These plasmacytoid dendritic cells are extremely important, because they are among the first cells to ring the alarm bells when a virus shows up.
When they find viral material, they start secreting enormous amounts of Interferon alpha. This is called Interferon, because it directly interferes with viral replication at many stages of the process. This Interferon Alpha also serves to wake up the NK cells, which then produce Interferon Gamma, which also interferes with viral replication in cells..."
It's pretty supportive of your hypothesis anyway I think. Interferon suppression and evasion is the area you're looking at with pathogens I believe - this is maybe somewhere to start with it but this area of immune biology has complexity!:
'Immunomodulatory Role of Interferons in Viral and Bacterial Infections'
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10298684/
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A quick search unearthed this article from SBS News Australia in 2011:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/why-the-black-death-was-so-lethal/4d27hb9bj
The pertinent part regards the article you're trying to find/remember is this:
"Remarkably, more recent variants of the bacterium hardly vary compared to the original microbe, says the paper.
"Based on the reconstructed genome, we can say that the medieval plague is close to the root of all modern human pathogenic plague strains," said Krause.
"The ancient plague strain does not carry a single position that cannot be found in the same state in modern strains."
This deep similarity between ancient and modern plague calls into question the long-held assumption that virulence-enhancing mutations are what made Y. pestis so deadly to the Middle Ages."
Basically, the current working theory is based around a susceptible and naive 'terrain' more than a particularly virulent early pathogen. Earlier theories were linked to virulence of Yersinia pestis it appears.
This article has more on the sample collection and genetic reconstruction behind the change of emphasis: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/black-death-genome/
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(Anonymous) 2024-07-15 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)That is not my understading. The way I understand it, the reason for hypothesizing that the mRNA shots cause more susceptibility to other viruses is that the mRNA shots deliberately and intentionally downgrade the IgG4 immune response to the spike protein. Presumably, that was done on purpose to prevent a cytokine storm such as killed ALL the cats in previous animal trials.
However, as any systems thinker or ecologist would know, there are knock on effects of tinkering with the delicate and intricate molecular ‘mechanisms’ of the human immune response sequences. Such as this: deliberate down regulating of the IgG4 also prevents the body’s recognition of all other pathogens including free radicals, cancer, bacteria and viruses.
This downregulation also dulls the signal that normally triggers routine processes of clean-up. No signal goes out to prompt other immune system cells telling them it is time to get busy sweeping through the blood and plasma to clear out foreign proteins and/or degraded cell waste left behind in the circulatory system.
So not only do other pathogens have free rein to gallop about in the body seeking whom they may devour, but your bloodstream is left dirty and clouded with toxins the body normally rounds up, filters out, distills, and excretes.
Double whammy of sickliness there. You feel like beef chips on soggy toast from dirty blood, and other germs are having a party feasting on your flesh.
Likewise, another reason for thinking that the mRNA shots are causing more sickness is because the shot turns all kinds of tissues in your body into mini-factories of synthetic spike protein, which is in itself a toxin. So your blood is even dirtier than usual because the shots are designed to flood your system with synthetic poison that your body DOES NOT KNOW HOW to degrade!
The pseudo uridine was added on purpose to make the sytho-spike last longer and not be broken down as an ordinary spike protein would be. In fact no one knows just how long the synthospike thugs can roam around poisoning you. That’s triple and quadruple whammies.
Last, and not least, if you happen to have a strong immune system in the first place, the fact that the mRNA shots turn your tissue cells into factories of fake spike means your super high security immune system can become confused enough to ATTACK YOUR OWN SELF.
It is like training the police to go after meth labs, but not to discriminate beween the innocent homeowners whose home has been invaded by gangs and turned into a meth lab against their will. The immune system assumes the homeowner and the meth-heads are all equally guilty and attacks everybody with equal prejudice.
So that’s quintuple and sextuple whammies. Not only do you feel like death warmed over from inflammation caused by a continually elevated immune response, but lots of cells in your critical organs are being killed by your own body. Which leaves more waste in your blood stream.
1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 – 6 and maybe 7
All that is why there is reason to think that the mRNA shots are causing more sickness to occur.
Now, let’s look at the plastic wrapping around the payload of the mRNA invaders. Slick, cell-penetrating rings of petroleum grease aka nanofats. These are the second story men who break into your home, evading the doors and locks by tunneling in through the basement wall.
They drop the meth heads into your house, then go away and park themselves in your gonads or liver, or…? Anywhere fats are normally stored. So far as is known, they never go away. What are they doing hanging out in your critical organs? No one knows. The Animal Pharma people failed to ask before they started shooting you full of petro-corpo-krap. That’s whammy eight and still counting.
As for people who were wise enough to reject the poisonous shots, are they really “getting sick a lot” or not?
Your original statement lumps the mRNA shots and the lab-made virus together as if their effects are exactly the same. This is not the case.
The shots are designed to force cells to manufacture a huge amount of the poisonous spike protein. The virus is designed to force cells to replicate its whole self, not just its spike bits alone.
So the effects of the synthetic virus are not the same as the effects of the synthetic mRNA shot. They are both made in a lab, but one tries to copy itself, the other just churns out a gazillion bits of a poison protein and also pollutes the blood with industrial fatty particles.
What’s more, the body’s reaction to any novel virus is going to be specific to that person’s general state of health and how environmental conditions have recently “trained’ their immune system to respond to a new challenge.
If you got the shot, or if wisely you did not
If you have good diet or sun yourself a lot
If you got the latest booster or if you only uster
If you’re young or old, or if you’ve had a cold
If you have tobacco and you smoke ‘em when you like
Every different factor and how much load of spike
Determines how you feel and if you heal or if you die.
No single situation is the same. So, by and by
The virus in the wild can hit you hard or just be mild.
The shot effects and boosters are also uncontrolled.
The state of herd immunity is more or less on hold.
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And I love the rap bit at the end.
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(Anonymous) 2024-07-15 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)Then there is the unintended and unstudied phase shift effect of fragmentary broken copies of mRNA caused by an unexpected quirk of the way the pseudouridine causes protein folding to become more random than not. Now up to ten whammies unless I lost count.
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(Anonymous) 2024-07-17 06:20 am (UTC)(link)