Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 153

[ecosophia]

We are now winding up the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Re: Population Immunity

[(Anonymous)]

Three potential factors come immediately to mind:

(1) Normally healthy people being around sick people will increase the odds of the healthy catching the illness. I think this is basically John's point. If you've raised children you've likely experienced this, in spades. At least I have. Infants get ill almost continually as their immune systems are undeveloped. Parents are naturally around the infants and the parents tend to catch many more, and more bizarre, illnesses than they would otherwise.

(2) The governments of the world, and the media supposedly charged with sharing quality facts, demonstrated a remarkable inability to collect good data, much less to question and analyze it, throughout the Covid period. Why should we presume they've "magically" regained their ability to collect and analyze data now? Didn't Briben's recent unveil demonstrate fairly convincingly that the medical and journalistic endeavors are still brain dead with regard to these basics?

So, all we can do is try to go forward with personal experience, and stories, and stories of stories, since Covid "mysteriously" affected the ability of "scientists" and "journalists" to think competently.

I'm not saying your personal experience isn't valid, but it doesn't provide enough data -- in particular -- to separate the illness rate of the Vexed from the Unvexed. So, healthy people may, indeed, also be experiencing more illness ... but maybe not at the same rates, nor degree of severity, as the Vexed.

(3) Depression lowers immune response, quite significantly. We live in depressing times. Indeed, factoring in that the inflation rate has unambiguously been way above the supposed "growth of GDP" since, at least 2020, we are actually in a prolonged, and rather bad, economic Recession.

Indeed, I think it would clearly be in what people 100 years ago would clearly recognize and label as an Economic DEPRESSION. How nice that our Government and their apparatchiks have made it impossible to ever again have an Economic Depression, by "disappearing" the definition of the term. Just go ahead and try to find a clear definition and distinction, to see what I mean.

-gnat

Re: Population Immunity

[(Anonymous)]

On (3), in Australia, we weren't to worry about the post-COVID economic slowdown because it was just a 'technical' recession we dipped into for a quarter or two. Now it's become a slightly less friendly 'per capita' recession. They brought in a million migrants over the past couple of years to buff GDP, so the overall numbers look passable, but the numbers for household finances tell a different story, and no substantial positive change on the horizon. Not a depression though, apparently.