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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 153

We are now winding up the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Certainly makes sense given what we're seeing, and if both covid and its attendant gene therapy shots damage people's immune systems, it's really rather a terrifying possibility. I haven't seen any research in this direction, that covid damages the immune system in general (rather than that specific IgG4 response to the covid pathogen), which is partly why I posted this. I think your theory does explain what we're actually seeing, but I'd like to see some research around that...

I guess all we can do about such a situation is to do whatever we can to help our own immune systems fight off the ever-increasing waves of pathogens. I have read that a few different mushrooms are good here, probably most researched being turkey tails (trametes versicolor), such that it's even part of some cancer therapies in Asia, intended to support people whose immune systems have been damaged by chemotherapy. Reishi is supposed to be good here, too. claire-58 has some good posts on this topic, too:

https://claire-58.dreamwidth.org/5889.html

May the gods help us if this immune system damage theory is what is really going on. I'd imagine these waves of sickness would look more exponential than linear, and trying to imagine how that future is going to look...

I would also like to see some research on this point! That's why I presented it as a hypothesis only -- it's one potential explanation that needs to be confirmed or contradicted by evidence.

One way or another, my working guess at this point -- and it's one I'm implementing in my own life -- is that the best things any of us can do for ourselves is to boost our own general health and our immune systems specifically, and consider getting a little less exposure to crowds, where the swamp of pathogens is likely to be worst. Claire-58's posts are good solid resources for this.

I'm very much doing the same. Complicated by the fact that my son (against my wishes) attends school, and his ma is a teacher at another school...unfortunately I see the results of this exposure to hundreds of other kids in all of our healths. He's been coughing so violently the last 2 nights that he's vomited from it; we've actually taken him to a doctor, very much a last resort for me, to get some antibiotics as he seems to have a bacterial infection. He is, I think, beginning to recover, but it's been a hell of a 2 month period.

Despite my hanging around on obscure blogs such as this, I guess you could call me magic-curious, rather than magic-practicing, but I confess that what's been going on lately has got me thinking that I'll do anything to protect the health of my family, which makes me think of the oft-mentioned here sphere of protection. Would I be right in assuming that such a practice could help protect the health of my family, as well as - I guess, our spiritual wellbeing? With apologies as maybe this belongs on the MM thread.

"obscure"? hardly!
(laughing)

erika

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Oh, it's very obscure -- in the sense that you'll never, but never, see it cited by anything or anybody in the cultural mainstream. Every so often something a little further in from the uttermost fringes (for example, the Naked Capitalism aggregator blog) will include a link, but that's about it. I'm quite sure that if somebody on Politico or CNN or what have you were to start typing a reference to my blog, they'd spontaneously combust on the spot. ;-)

I did mean that as something of a compliment, really. "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society" as Krishnamurti put it; I think most of us here are quite badly adapted to modern society, which is a good sign to me. Any civilization which is causing a mass extinction highly deserves to rejected as thoroughly as is possible, said this particular Aquarian.

Are you sure you wouldn't spontaneously combust, John, if you found yourself metioned on CNN??

Oh, I took it as a compliment.

As for me appearing on CNN, no, I'd laugh like a hyena and then come up with an utterly outrageous blog post so that everyone who came looking for my blog after seeing the CNN squib would stagger away clutching their head and gasping for air. ;-)

How marvelously and utterly surreal.

:-)

Maybe not mainstream, but I was listening to the James Delingpole podcast with Katherine Watt today (published 7 Nov. 2023), and she credits you by name and cites the Ecosophia site for setting her on the track to investigate the legal framework that allowed the vax-mandates to take place. Somehow I hadn't heard of her before today and she's an excellent writer.

Papa's reach is far larger than I imagined. I wonder if he was ever a DM in a D&D group. I was and man listening to you would have been epic in a dungeon. Mostly anon's, and that is sad, but doxxing is real. Sheesh since the beginnings of covid most of us have witnessed outright career assassination just for stating the obvious. Nothing controversial really, and nothing conspiracy theory.

I'm saddened I can no longer be a fringe theorist...all of my worst case theories were too conservative by several orders of magnitude. Power doesn't even try to hide it anymore. In your face and you are x'ist if you notice or ask a question.

This group is one helluva great group and 20 years ago being able to meet up and share a beer would have been legendary.

Please keep this weekly corona topic around. You can't change the unchangeable in those that took the vax. But man if you care about someone, the learning shared here can help reduce pain. While the mainstream is slipping on allowing posts about the vax and potential damage, you don't have a flccc type repair/reduce the damage outside of folks like you. And I thank you. I love that I can get notices to preprints, anecdotes and more before most of the world due to this, wise, and self-selecting group of public and anons who frequent this great druids site.

thank you
rq

Yeah, over the course of the past few years I've been pleasantly surprised to find appreciative mentions of JMG on a variety of dissident sites-- the (now defunct) Vineyard of the Saker site, Postcards from Barsoom (John Carter), and Simplicius are three that come to mind just off the top of my head. Ideas spread sometimes, like ... viruses.

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

Gee, it sounds like being a, um, hermit, might be a rational survival strategy?

I have a friend who did just that – hunkered down in his apartment with his wife and waited the pandemic out with trips to the grocery store for food. Add to that their heaviness, and you have a statistical point towards hiding yourself away.

– Donald Hargraves

I was getting regular emails from a poetry guy (poet, 'curator,' publisher, etc...) and he regularly referred to THE PLAGUE with no sense of irony.
An old leftist he was in both feet first in the 'STAY SAFE' school.
I don't know what happened to him. I set them to delete.

A year or two ago, there was a study from Spain that showed good evidence that nursing home patients who took a daily dose of loratadine (AKA as Claritin, the over-the-counter anti-allergy drug) had a 90%+ decrease in rates of covid infection. I remember fuss when it was revealed this info was kept out of the media for a year after it was published.

Anyway, if you can't lessen your exposure to crowds, you can perhaps lower your exposure to covid by taking this drug. IIRC, it's postulated that loratadine makes your nasal/sinus mucosa a little drier, which is sufficient to make your mucosa non-receptive to the virus particles.

Personally, I've been of the mind just to let myself get exposed, as I've already had covid, and just let exposure to all the new variants keep my immune system tuned and updated. Since Jan 2020, I've had only one instance of a cold-like illness, namely covid itself in Nov 2021. In that same time-frame, my un-vexed daughters have had covid once, and a cold once. My vex'ed former wife has had covid several times, and more or less the same rate of colds/flus as before the covid era.

Having said that, I'm going to re-read the discussion above and re-assess whether my strategy is optimal, and whether I should start daily loratadine.

--Lunar Apprentice

Was that specifically loratadine, or just any antihistamine? I remember when there were suggestions that an antihistamine in conjunction with lactoferrin was very effective against covid, but I don't recall if it was a specific antihistamine.

While we're talking specific medicines, I've been thinking this evening, partly inspired by this thread, about getting a medical emergency kit together, and what should be in that kit. I see sponsored content on ZH where the kit is basically antibiotics, not an unreasonable approach. For a little inspiration, I thought I'd look up the most commonly prescribed drugs in use (https://clincalc.com/DrugStats/Top300Drugs.aspx) and I confess I find the list pretty horrifying. Almost everything on that list is to alleviate the evils of modern western civilization, from what I could see - blood pressure pills, anti-depressants, insulin for too much sugar, pills to lose weight...aside from the antibiotics, which I can see real use for (my coughing so much son that he's been vomiting has whooping cough...and the antibiotic that's very good against that, Azithromycin, has worked so well in just 24 hours that he's now sleeping peacefully rather than coughing violently), almost everything I can see on that list just screams "eat healthily" at me. I wonder what the doctors here think - aside from antibiotics, perhaps antivirals like ivermectin too, are there any medicines which are genuinely useful, rather than intended to alleviate the symptoms of life in western civ?

The Spanish study looked at loratadine only. They may well have eschewed antihistamines simply because they cause sleepiness, something you don't want to do to nursing home patients. The effectiveness of antihistamines in covid prevention is a question mark.

As for your list, I share a lot of your doubts, e.g. antidepressants, especially SSRI's should have no place. Ditto for weight-loss pills; if TSHTF and the economy tanks, we're all going on a diet and loosing weight whether we want to or not. I do think there would a real ongoing need for antihypertensives, such as lisinopril and hydrochlorothiazide, probably a beta blocker too such as metoprolol. This is because there are quite a few basically healthy people whose only real medical issue is hypertension; if you stop treating it, you'll have a lot of premature deaths of people in their 50's and early 60's who have valuable skill sets. Not all insulin is for "too much sugar": If you don't want to write off Type I diabetics, then insulin is a must, along with ample needles, spare glucose-meters and batteries and of course lancets. And don't forget reliable refrigeration to store the insulin.

I certainly am not the one to ask about a comprehensive list, but I think it should include latanoprost: eyedrops to treat glaucoma. This prevents blindness, and you're able to keep a productive person from turning into a dependent, to speak nothing of preventing real suffering.

--Lunar Apprentice

Thanks for the response.

Thank you both for the plug.
Comments on my post have quadrupled!! ;)

Exponential initially looks linear - until it doesn't.

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