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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 153

We are now winding up the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Pretty interesting that just before New Year 2020

A quick follow-up on that...

I ran a chart for the first announcement of Covid by the Wuhan authorities, and got this:

With three trines, four sextiles, and no negative aspect worse than a semisquare, this is not the chart for the beginning of a catastrophe. It's so positive that I'm wondering if the Wuhan authorities might have deliberately elected it -- that is, chosen a time to give themselves the best possible outcome.

So I ran a chart for noon on the day the first known patient in China went to the hospital, 1 December 2019:

This is much more like it. Notice the T-square with Mars and Uranus, the plague planets, forming the two ends and the Moon, the ruler of the 6th house of public health, in the middle, discharging straight into the 6th house. Barring other evidence to the contrary, I'm going to treat this as the initial chart for Covid, and see what can be learned from it. Thank you all for your help!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_February_2020#:~:text=11%20February,The%20WHO%20gives%20the%20disease%20the%20new%20name%20COVID

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_March_2020#:~:text=11%20March,The%20World%20Health%20Organization%20declared%20COVID

I've tried to reread more carefully, but I still don't get it. Our only reason for thinking that covid jabs and/or covid cause more susceptibility to other viruses is that people around us seem to be getting sick more than they used to, or that we ourselves are getting sick a lot. If the only people who seemed to be sick a lot were the unjabbed, without actual evidence of hidden infection in the jabbed it would be untenable to say "We bet they're the only ones showing up at work looking healthy because they're *secretly even sicker than us!*" But plenty of the people who have been repeatedly boosted are getting sick a lot too and we know this because we hear them snuffling, coughing, and whining about it at work, usually for normal lengths of time.

You're certainly right to say that stressful infections can cause cardiac symptoms. If you get flu you are more likely to have a heart attack in the two weeks after you fall ill than in the two weeks before. Some truly sudden deaths are from massive heart attacks or strokes, but more are probably from malignant arrhythmias. I don't know of any evidence that ordinary bugs trigger arrhythmia, though it's not impossible. But as for "general immune system failure" causing it, in the proximity of a bug or otherwise, there are people who are seriously immunodeficient across the board, for no matter what antigen - say, people who have organ transplants and take immunosuppressive drugs. They are more prone to a number of fatal health problems, including cancers as well as infections, but sudden cardiac death is not high on the list.

I guess the question when you talk about a positive chart is "whose" chart is it? Is it the PANDEMIC's chart? If SARS-CoV-2 had consulted an astrologer and gotten the first chart, would he have told it "Looks like you're going to be very successful in 'life', everything is very favorable for you"? That would be a true prediction....

On (3), in Australia, we weren't to worry about the post-COVID economic slowdown because it was just a 'technical' recession we dipped into for a quarter or two. Now it's become a slightly less friendly 'per capita' recession. They brought in a million migrants over the past couple of years to buff GDP, so the overall numbers look passable, but the numbers for household finances tell a different story, and no substantial positive change on the horizon. Not a depression though, apparently.

Donning my tinfoil hat here.... There were also multiple suspicious respiratory afflictions in the fall of 2019-- remember the panic over what was supposedly contaminated vaping cartridges? And hundreds of North Americans who participated in the 2019 World Military Games reported serious respiratory illness upon returning. (http://prospect.org/coronavirus/did-the-military-world-games-spread-covid-19/). Whether the caught it or brought it there is another interesting speculation.

Also, Australian TV was reporting a particularly bad flu season in 2019, only to have the diagnosis plummet almost to zero once COVID became fashionable. John Cullen has made me scratch my head endlessly over wth really happened.

I have a friend myself (East Coast of the US) who got flattened by something respiratory in the early fall of 2019.

Wikipedia is best regarded as a tool to tell what the ptb want you to think, imo.

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

Not being a fatalist or anything, but if you haven't, I would really make a backup of this site. Too much good information is shared here for it to just banish. I have one of the old backups that someone shared a while back, I should probably update it too.

1) We have a general increase in infectious diseases across the board, affecting entire populations. We have a novel pharmaceutical, administered to most of the population a few years back, which was intended to affect the immune system and which appears to cause a cascade of immune system problems, including sharp increases in a wide range of cancers (which are normally kept under control by the immune system). If the pharmaceutical causes a general decline in immune system function, a decrease in herd immunity is one way that would show first -- and given the complete unwillingness of the medical establishment to do adequate testing or research, that's one of the few ways we would see it. I'm suggesting that maybe these dots are connected. If you disagree, that's fine, but "I don't see it" isn't a counterargument.

2) First, how many of these cases of sudden death have actually been followed up by a detailed autopsy to determine that acute cardiac symptoms are actually the cause of death? "His heart stopped" is a pretty general feature of death, you know. Second, since my hypothesis suggests a novel cause of immune failure, insisting that other causes of immune failure don't have the same effect doesn't cut it. This is a new situation. My hypothesis offers a potential avenue for investigation that might point to a cause.

The sequence of characters translate to "The Chinese government decided to hide these documents". I think the anon poster was being sarcastic.

Funny.

Three Cards for you:

The first optimistic chart, II of Wands: This does suggest planning, and of the careful sort, just like the globe he holds in his hands.

The second chart, The Lovers: For working purposes, this works very well "good partnership".

Looking for further refinements. The Star & IV of Pentacles: It seems it would be possible to get good information about this, but it might be better to hold unto what we have

Would you share your results with us either here or in the astrology subscription?

Edited 2024-07-09 23:06 (UTC)

Garland Nixon describes weird stuff, incl. people dying happening well before Dec 2019 in this podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFTGV4v-elI

2) I'd also like to note that one thing animal immune researchers have found is social animals have different immune systems than solitary ones, because we need to prevent pathogens from ever causing issues with certain key organs, such as, for instance, causing permanent organ damage to completely eradicate any pathogen that evolves to infect the heart; while solitary animals have immune systems which won't do that. If so, then one way a collapse in herd immunity could be expected to play out is a collapse in this, and a rise in pathogens able to infect hearts, brains, and other key organs.

This was not a problem until now because even though some people have compromised immune systems, they are not common enough for pathogens to be able to spread from person to person far before they run into immune systems which will go into overdrive and cause serious collateral damage in order to destroy them.

Sadly I haven't been able to track down the study again, but it makes evolutionary sense.

I'm the Canadian with the issue. This site loads fine: it is the Ecosophia.net site which I seem to be inexplicably unable to access.

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/health-officials-confirm-human-case-plague-colorado

Illegal immigrants flooding the border are NOT required to be, nor become, up to date on vaccines. Presuming you believe in vaccines...I think I do, although much more than I did. It appears our
government doesn't believe in them very much:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2023/08/17/new-york-asylum-seekers-public-health-crisis/70598475007/

An astrologer I follow who is also a journalist, Eric Coppolino, tracked the entire Covid experience and he identified the release of the viral genome of COVID by Chinese scientists on January 10 and the publishing of the German nucleic testing protocol that was a the basis for the PCR test on January 17 (in Berlin) as important dates for the COVID Pandemic. These are what were able to be used to claim people were suffering from Covid-19. He used to have an entire Covid Chronology on his website, but it seems to no longer be there. So the dates may be slightly off. These dates are very close to the January 12, 2020 Saturn/Pluto conjunction.

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A year or two ago, there was a study from Spain that showed good evidence that nursing home patients who took a daily dose of loratadine (AKA as Claritin, the over-the-counter anti-allergy drug) had a 90%+ decrease in rates of covid infection. I remember fuss when it was revealed this info was kept out of the media for a year after it was published.

Anyway, if you can't lessen your exposure to crowds, you can perhaps lower your exposure to covid by taking this drug. IIRC, it's postulated that loratadine makes your nasal/sinus mucosa a little drier, which is sufficient to make your mucosa non-receptive to the virus particles.

Personally, I've been of the mind just to let myself get exposed, as I've already had covid, and just let exposure to all the new variants keep my immune system tuned and updated. Since Jan 2020, I've had only one instance of a cold-like illness, namely covid itself in Nov 2021. In that same time-frame, my un-vexed daughters have had covid once, and a cold once. My vex'ed former wife has had covid several times, and more or less the same rate of colds/flus as before the covid era.

Having said that, I'm going to re-read the discussion above and re-assess whether my strategy is optimal, and whether I should start daily loratadine.

--Lunar Apprentice

That raises an interesting question for divination. How does the intention behind an act bear on the interpretation of the chart/cards/etc?

In this case, if we posited that somebody set out deliberately to cause an enormous catastrophe, would the positive chart indicate that things could have been expected to go smoothly, resulting in the desired (catastrophic) outcomes?

If you're having this problem, I suggest using a VPN. My preferred VPN has been Kaspersky Labs, but it's Russian, and banned in the US now.

--Lunar Apprentice

Thank you both for the plug.
Comments on my post have quadrupled!! ;)

2 important victories against the mandates just announced:

Health Freedom Defense Fund Wins Appeal in Ninth Circuit
"Health Freedom Defense Fund (HFDF), California Educators for Medical Freedom, and individual plaintiffs have won their appeal in the Ninth Circuit on LAUSD’s Employee Covid Vaccination Mandate. Health Freedom Defense Fund et. al, led by the exceptional legal team of John Howard and Scott Street at JW Howard Attorneys, have won a significant victory in the Ninth Circuit, which reversed dismissal of their lawsuit challenging the Los Angeles Unified School District’s (“LAUSD”) mandatory vaccination policy for all employees. Reversing the decision of the Central District of California in Los Angeles, the Ninth Circuit majority held that, first, the case was not mooted by LAUSD’s rescission of the mandate after oral argument last September, 2023. The majority called out LAUSD’s gamesmanship for what it was – a bald-faced attempt at avoiding an adverse ruling by trying to create an issue of mootness. Unfortunately for LAUSD, they had already done this once in the trial court. Applying the voluntary cessation doctrine, the majority doubted LAUSD’s sincerity in rescinding the mandate immediately after an unfavorable oral argument in September of last year...
READ MORE:
https://healthfreedomdefense.org/huge-legal-victory-hfdf-wins-appeal-in-ninth-circuit/

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Disney Settles (Petroff vs Vallow, Disney Television Studios Inc. and The Walt Disney Company)
https://healthfreedomdefense.org/disney-settles/
"Health Freedom Defense Fund (HFDF) is proud to announce another legal victory in its case Petroff vs Vallow, Disney Television Studios Inc. and The Walt Disney Company, which was recently settled.

Disney does not ordinarily negotiate or settle lawsuits with employees, but it just did.

Disney broke with its history and standard practices because continuing to fight the lawsuit would have meant deposition of senior Disney employees, publication of sensitive and revealing internal documents, and a very embarrassing public trial.

Disney subsidiary 20th Television Animation began enforcing a Covid vaccine mandate in April of 2022, long after it knew that Covid injections do not stop transmission or infection.

Pamela Petroff was a company receptionist and office manager who worked for the animated shows American Dad and Family Guy. She enjoyed her job and was well liked until she, a Christian who suffers from an immune condition, requested accommodations under Disney’s mandatory Covid-19 vaccination policy for medical and religious reasons. Thereafter, she was subjected to harassment, intimidation, and discrimination by Disney supervisors and HR staff. But Petroff remained resolute in her beliefs and refused to be bullied, coerced, or intimidated despite her own supervisor, Kara Vallow, posting shocking and condemnable comments about Christians, conservatives, and unvaccinated people on social media.

Disney repeatedly threatened to terminate Petroff and intended to terminate her in September of 2022 when Health Freedom Defense Fund stepped in to support her in a lawsuit against Disney. Disney then backed off sacking her, but it began stalling. It kept Petroff on paid leave for months. Then it gave her a job on a different production that was affected by the screenwriters’ strike, resulting in Petroff being laid off for several months. Meanwhile, Disney delayed the litigation and failed to produce key internal documents requested by Petroff’s attorneys.
Finally, after months of waiting, Disney attorney Steve Marenburg handed over the documents – with many redactions (which were ultimately removed) – and with a highly irregular notation, “Attorneys Eyes Only” – a highly confidential designation normally reserved for trade secrets and the like which was a clear indication that Disney had much to hide. This notation meant that HFDF’s attorneys Scott Street and John Howard of JW Howard Attorneys could not share the documents with Petroff or HFDF.

Petroff’s personnel documents showed that Disney executives knew her request was sincere and knew that the company could accommodate her. They simply refused to do so because they worried about upsetting other people at Disney who they perceived as more powerful than Petroff. Moreover, Disney executives lied to Petroff when they told her that accommodating her requests would amount to an undue burden.
Disney singled out Petroff because it was worried about bothering a celebrity.

Disney pretended it was acting in good faith with Petroff while Disney supervisors and HR officials bullied her, likely betting she would be unable to secure legal representation and in the hopes that she would become so demoralized, she would just give up and go away.
Disney, through its attempts to placate a paranoid executive, tormented this young woman causing her tremendous emotional distress which would surely have resulted in large damages for Petroff, as well as a great deal of embarrassment for Disney – which purports to possess “visionary thinking” and a “commitment to excellence” – had the case proceeded to trial.

Disney’s hollow claims of visionary thinking and excellence are belied by the sordid details of Petroff’s Disney experience.
But Pamela Petroff leaves Disney with the pride derived from standing for what’s right and sending a message to Disney and to all corporations by extension, that they cannot disregard their employees’ rights.

While HFDF would have preferred the case to go to trial in order to fully expose Disney’s conduct to the light of day, Health Freedom Defense Fund is honored and proud to support Petroff, a very brave young woman, in pursuit of basic American ideals of freedom and justice.
HFDF president Leslie Manookian said, “I hope other American employees of powerful corporations feel inspired and empowered by this victory as no American should be subjected to the kind of treatment which Petroff received for merely standing by their convictions.”

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These and others are setting important legal precedents. The mainstream media isn't covering it, apparently, but, by golly, that doesn't mean it isn't happening.

P.S. HFDF was founded by Leslie Manookian. She's the one who backed the lawsuit to get masks off on US airplanes.

"obscure"? hardly!
(laughing)

erika

I'm the same commenter here. I've been commenting enough recently that I was thinking I should pick a handle, and will so so now so that if I annoy you, at least you know it's that same (not deliberately!) annoying person.

For now, without actually testing different groups of people for antibody responses, I don't see any way to disentangle lowered herd immunity from mRNA exposure from lowered herd immunity from excess social distancing. If cold numbers get back to normal a year or two after everyone's behaving normally again, then either it was an effect of the pandemic or it was a temporary effect of the jabs; if they don't, then a lasting effect of the jabs is more probable. (I would be surprised if such a condition was progressive in people who don't keep on and on getting jabbed; if someone developed an autoimmune condition that would be more likely to be permanent but is somewhat the opposite in nature.)

As for sudden death, there aren't all that many conditions that kill you too fast to call 911. They're usually cardiovascular in some fashion (arrhythmia, heart attack, stroke, burst aneurysm). One of the autopsy studies that proved the jabs do cause sudden death acutely found that 5 of 30 people who'd died shortly after one of them had their hearts full of white blood cells, proving that they'd had autoimmune myocarditis. These were mostly middle-aged people, BTW, not young men. Had those people not died at the time, they'd likely have had scarring that would increase their risk of malignant arrhythmias months or years down the road.

If you don't mind I will call myself, a bit immodestly,
Cessair

Oh, I knew it was the same person. As forum host I get to see everyone's IP addresses.

1) Thank you. You've just specified one of the tests we can now use to assess whether my hypothesis has any validity or not. That's helpful.

2) Au contraire, there are quite a few, including central nervous system issues, endocrine issues, and abdominal issues. Here's a useful summary:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8307931/

Nor is it at all certain that sudden death immediately after jabs is caused by the same thing, or the same cluster of things, that cause sudden death months or years later. It's the latter that are relevant to my hypothesis. Also, of course, 30 is a small sample size and 5 out of 30 is a fairly modest share.

What I need to find next is the article I read years ago about sudden death as a result of plague. The claim was, as I recall, that the immunosuppressive effects of the strain of Y. pestis that caused the Black Death kept the body from reacting at all until pathogen levels had risen to the point of causing sudden organ failure. One Renaissance artist who died of plague, according to contemporary accounts, was out drinking with friends and started to feel unwell; they walked him home, he climbed the stairs to his front door, and then tumbled back down them again, stone cold dead. The doctors who examined the corpse found signs of plague all over it. But I need to find that reference!

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