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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 142

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Wow. Nothing about that story makes sense and it just gets dumber the more you read. Apparently, the "vaccine", which just happens to be super expensive, causes a large cut in yield from the "vaccinated" plant. So, you can save the plant but get nothing from it. The solution? A mathematical model.

"What we needed to do was create a model for cacao growers so they could know how far away they could safely plant vaccinated trees from unvaccinated trees in order to prevent the spread of the virus while keeping costs manageable for these small farmers."

By experimenting with mathematical patterning techniques, the team created two different types of models that allow farmers to create a protective layer of vaccinated cacao trees around unvaccinated trees."

Have we reached peak stupid yet? It seems not.

How long before they start masking the trees?

It'll be "for the good of the children" given that chocolate is involved.)

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

Wait a minute - you mean cacao plants have to do Social Distancing?

How long before they develop cacao plant N95 masks?

This one's screaming for a good meme.

I also think chocolate products in the grocery store should be spaced far apart to practice social distancing.

It's really for the best. We're all in this together!!!!

And every chocolate bar should have a mask tied onto it. Think of the poor vulnerable chocolate bunnies!

laughing here imagining chocolate bunnies.......masked.......

lots of ideas for 'guerilla theatre............' kicking around my head now....

there hasn't been much of that, not that I've seen.......about all this......

Ummm -

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/video-french-bakery-created-chocolate-bunnies-with-protective-masks-for-covid-19-easter

I feel for the poor schmucks who try to write satire nowadays. How can you possibly be more absurd than everyday reality?

>> Have we reached peak stupid yet? It seems not.

The dilemma with Peak Stupid as opposed to Peak Oil is that oil is a non-renewable resource.

I think we need to account for a second variable that is arguably increasing "deadliness of being stupid" until recently being stupid was pretty safe.

As "deadliness of being stupid" increases, although individual stupidity might grow the total amount tends to peak and decline.

Obviously the flame-throwing rotorootbot will be used to deliver CRSPR and even Crispier electric char treatment, unless the trees willingly (or not) sign off on accepting Axeblovid and Trimdeath-of-fir.

All semi secret comm(unity-based)cations with other local trees via the wood wide web of mycelia will be closely monitored by quasi-arty-fishyal intelligence App-uls belonging to the Tree-Aye-Yay.

All suspect communes will be squirreled away either as being Totality Nuts or Stinky Seedy. The Truthiness App-ule of Knowledge of Good’n’Evil will be hidden in a parsupial fold by quail-i-fied blue-ribosomed vaxx chexers.

As everyone knows, standing trees have no standing in law. Trees can neither wear nor file suits. They are Gucci-abstinent, and probably do their own research(gasp!).

Therefore, they have no rights of bodily autosome-ny. As long as they are standing, we own those ignorant sapheads branch, bole, and root, so we can do anything with them we like. If they don’t like it, they can move to Antarxico. Or learn to code. They will be subject in perp-e-tuity to the probing fingers of The Science™ under the vauxpices of Dr. Foxi, Civil Serpent and Premier Parselmouth, presiding.

So much for standing trees.

Of course, fallen trees will be hyper-critically honored before they are chopped up and sold for a profit as fuel for eco-friendly pellet-fired stoves. Surviving seedlings will receive a croc of tears and a folded-up flag. Not a nice silk flag, but a cheap one made from twice recycled sugar cane and flax hackings and some squashed bamboozel bits.

Thus shall the world be made safe and effective for crookocracy. (Salute, you there in the back row. Yes, you, who look like some kind of scraggly old Ent. Why aren’t you saluting? All of you trees are supposed to salute! What’s going….ulp!)

I'm not a fan of "cheap shots" (it's a flaw :P) so I don't really agree with most of the reactions to this news. I can understand why, if you're trying to make a living from farming cacao, you would hope for a vaccine (or, similarly, dangerous chemicals) to protect your trees from a severe blight. I can understand why, if you found out there was a vaccine but it reduced yields, you would want to surround unvaccinated trees with vaccinated ones so you could have some trees with normal yields that might not get struck by the blight. I can understand why an ordinary innocent geek would think to model the distribution of trees to try to help figure out how many needed to be sacrificed to poor yields in order to help the farmers.

As a very amateur gardener who is not depending on my crops for anything more important than my own personal supply of allspice, I would wonder if a vaccine which reduces yields may be doing so by damaging the health of the plant to the point that it may become vulnerable to other diseases. I would wonder if it may do more harm than good. But I can afford to wonder because I don't have bills to pay this season.

It's better to keep your plants healthy and breed resistant varieties, but we only just in the last few years started having tomatoes that are resistant to the blight that caused the Irish potato famine (it particularly strikes potatoes and tomatoes; in tomatoes it's "late blight"). When I started gardening not too many years ago there weren't really late-blight-resistant tomatoes, now there finally are ones with "moderate resistance." We never did develop a variety of bananas that was as large and tasty as the Gros Michel after Panama disease wiped them out. ("Yes, we have no bananas" and all that.) We just switched to a smaller, different-tasting variety (we've all noticed artificial banana flavoring tastes very different from the real bananas we eat--that's because it tastes like Gros Michel). Which is now threatened by another variety of Panama disease...

Anyway I'm just saying, when you're relying on your crops now, I get why you'd try dangerous possible solutions.

I wonder if we'll end up switching to carob or something and in the future there will be a fun fact about "Why artificial carob flavoring tastes different: It's because it tastes like 'chocolate,' a similar treat which people preferred to carob until its production was wiped out by a virus in the 2020s."

Ochre Shabby Sea Serpent

I'm happy to be corrected since I am no expert, but my understanding is that a plant's ability to fight a pathogen is genetically determined. Therefore, it makes no sense to give a plant a "vaccine"?

If that's true, then the whole story is BS.

I suppose that the ‘vaccine’ is really an experimental uncontrolled trial of a gene-modifying substance. The hope may be that more pressure put on the virus will drive its evolution towards becoming a lethal organism. Then the chemico-crooks can run a protection racket similar to the one they have going with Marek’s disease among chickens. That is, to force all commercial producers of cacao to buy their ‘solution’ to a problem they created and made far worse than what was happening in the wild.

Instead of responding to the wild virus blight by fostering life-enhancing methods such as switching to other varietals, crossbreeding with resistant phenotypes, reducing production to every other year, spreading trees farther apart, making sure they have healthy soil, clean water, and other favorable growth conditions – good grauniad, no! We cannot have that, it might raise PRICES and COST MORE MONEY!!!

Mammon alone is the God King to the Corporation Nation. He who must be served. Short-term profitable mass markets must (according to USA policies) continue on forever. Like the overcrowding, bad food and worse sanitation of industrialized chicken meat and egg farms.

We peasants cannot expect our Big Ag land-grab, lab-flab, underworld overlords to have a care for life, health, better taste, better nutrition, happy trees, and all that warm fuzzy hippie jazzbougie nonsense. The chemico-cons prefer to keep unhealthy conditions, earth-destructive practices going on forever. This provides them with a golden opportunity to siphon off even MORE cash from the purblind purchasing public. Not only will they feed us bad food while pocketing big profits, but the producers must also stay in thrall to their chemico-concoctions! A win-win for them!

See, when bad publicity about sickening Commercial Agricultural Food Operations (CAFO) conditions led to public demand for organic supply trains, free range, no-antibiotics, etc. this took away market share from CAFO-crapified food products. I imagine the chemicon crews must have looked around to seize upon another high-demand product to chemically corner and crapify instead.

Alas for the future of Chocolate Futures. Climate heat zones shifting northward due to other sectors of greedy grabola, will likely make it possible for every household to grow its own cacao tree, fertilized by its own free-range chickens, and sharing yard space with wildly variable mixes of mango, banana, citrus, avocado, olive, and breadfruit plants. When nobody goes to the grocery store anymore because we can lazily pluck a meal from the paw-paw patch, make beer from half-spoiled windfalls, and feed abundant leftover mash to the mini-pigs and poultry, what on the New Earth will the poor old chemicons do for a living? They might have to use their HANDS and WORK for a change. Oh no! Or return to high-seas piracy, I reck.

I'm also not an expert, but my experience gardening is that healthier plants also have better resistance to disease, which would imply that plant resistance to disease is not completely genetically determined. (I do know that both plants and humans can have genetic resistance to a disease--remember the AIDS resistance gene and the gene that confers increased resistance to plague?)

You inspired me to look into this more deeply. Here's an article on some of the chemicals which are getting called "plant vaccines":

https://www.science.org/content/article/new-medicine-could-vaccinate-plants-against-devastating-viruses

It appears that rather than "train the immune system to recognize and fight the disease" (the traditional definition of "vaccines"), this is taking the actual disease-fighting chemicals made by plants that work best against that disease, and spraying them on all the plants. I can see why that would work against disease. I can imagine that it might also reduce the plant's overall health, if these chemicals were to have a generally "toxic" effect especially in excess. So that might explain a reduction in yield.

If that's the explanation, then I'd still be worried about this reduction in general health making the plant more vulnerable to other diseases.

Ochre Shabby Sea Serpent

Thanks for the info. You've proven my initial hunch which is that the whole story is BS. The only possible reason for calling it a "vaccine" is for marketing purposes. Apparently, we can no longer tell the difference between marketing and science. It's the same pattern that drove the covid hysteria.

Planting monocultures too close to each other resulting in disease is something that has been known about for centuries. I'd bet dollars to donuts that is the real issue.

And it also sounds like a recipe for promoting rapid evolution of the pathogen around this misnamed "vaccine."

Based on the same mechanics that create pesticide resistance, antibiotic resistance, varroa mites resistant to any miticide used broadly. Oh yeah-- and SARS-COV2 and the immune-escape variants coming to a theater near you.

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

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