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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 142

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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>> 'There's always a way through.'

I know that... and sometimes the way through leads to the exit door.

I'm of the boomer generation, and we get a lot of grief for supposedly acting like we refuse to admit that we're ever going to die... and here all I'm doing is admitting that it just might happen to me sooner rather than later, and I can handle that.

I checked my reading of my astrology for the year with a couple of professional astrologer friends, and they agreed my reading made sense. I'd be a damned fool to pretend it can't happen to me, even if I am a boomer.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to go and reread Marcus Aurelius.

Sickness and death is now noticeably intruding into my family and friend circle. Then again I'm in my late 60s, so it would anyway in normal times. I have no basis for comparison to know what is normal, as I've never lived through this phase of life before.

Most compatriots continue to happily consume whatever Big Pharma goodies they're offered and don't ever seem to correlate deteriorating health with that.

Australian excess deaths per the ABS peaked at ~16% in 2022, declined to ~12% in 2023 and are running ~10% YTD in 2024. Adding in deaths from 2021 during the start of the vax campaign that adds up to about 50,000 deaths.

So the slowly declining trendline in excess deaths here in Australia doesn't correlate with apocalyptic forecasts. However, as the bird flu BS machine is being cranked up, how many people will fall for that and jab accordingly and will the harm be cumulative on top of COVID jabs?

You have to wonder whether some people have (subconsciously?) elected for self deletion. Their determination to follow deranged ideologies, despite obvious personal and societal harm is impressive.

I recently read that 'evil' eventually and inevitably fails, because it consumes so much more energy to sustain it vs doing the right and usually simple thing. So at a time when things look darkest, a new dawn is closer than you think.

The globalists, or however you want to label the 'dark forces', display consistent delusion and incompetence everywhere you look. Just when you think The West has reached peak idiocy, Ukraine being a prime example, they do something even more stupid and waste yet more money, credibility, weapons, resources etc.

That trans US Navy spokeswoman (bloke in a frock) asserting in a press conference that "correct use of pronouns in correspondence creates a more lethal fighting force" is a high water mark of stupid so far.

So overall I'm feeling relatively optimistic, within the context of the West likely heading for a Soviet Union-style collapse. Could that mean I won't be able to afford the latest $2,000 iPhone? Oh well, life will go on.

Yes, I am old enough to remember. Back when, my oncologist actually laughed at me, as if it were the most ridiculous, absurdly superstitious thing he'd ever heard, when I mentioned that I wanted to try acupuncture to help with my recovery. A few years later, the same clinic was warmly recommending acupuncture as a complementary treatment.

Your last comment, about "Vitamin C and D - it works so much better when you get it as an official prescription from your doctor" -- that made me laugh. So true, for so many people. I'd say the slick packaging and all those TV ads also do a job on their minds.

>sending Blinken to China

They are framing China in the future, for the narative:

- look at those Chinese we went to them 7 times to reason with them, now the gloves are off.

Many people are having huge hopes for Trump, but there is a lot of potential there for clusterfrack:
- an aggravation of the Chinese issue;
- an aggravation of the Middle East issue;
- Trump is also clueless about the energy issues, he believe all you have to drill and oil will just get out like Saudi in the 50'

These 3 problems are the same under Biden, but with Trump things can get very unpredictable, just think of hitting the Iranian General and what would have happened after 13th of April Iran response attack on Israel if Trump was president.

I think US and Europe is in a predicament no matter who are in power next election cycle...

just a reminded that they had many,many visits before the SMO in Russia!

They think the World Opinion would make them look, like they had no chance. They are just "obeying forms" to increase marketing and PR points.

I do agree with both points, it feels like a spiritual battle and a sort of "clash of the titans". My tradition is firmly in a completely different end of the spiritual pool than Christianity but it is fascinating to see that people from many different traditions have seen the same thing. We are in a battle of the soul so to speak, as we have always been but it got so much clearer after March 2020. Ireally think in terms of before and after the so called pandemic. Everything from where modern society is heading to the spiritual nature of reality all became much clearer.

Just read this today and it has got me thinking on from my last comment/post featuring current avian flu cat/cow stuff:

'Smells like 2020 again (in a nudging way)'

"The threat of avian flu is real, you can now download the sequences and analyze them yourself, hundreds of millions of birds died, and while I do believe avian flu was the cause, there are confounding factors here..."

https://hiddencomplexity.substack.com/p/smells-like-2020-again-in-a-nudging

A real threat (though how bad and how imminent is unknown) being taken advantage of by authorities again and possibly viruses at risk of being 'tinkered' with - Moriarty (Hidden Complexity author) appears to be someone who leans towards the idea of bio-tinkered with viruses having entered the environment both deliberately and less deliberately.

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

Cardiologists Identify COVID-19 Vaccine as Possible Cause of Young Professional’s Heart Problem

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/cardiologists-identify-covid-19-vaccine-as-possible-cause/

My adult child brought me meals and we stood six feet apart. Just in case. RIDICULOUS in hindsight.
I kept away from grandchild and bought them all sorts of cleaning stuff and Neti pots. Just in case. RIDICULOUS in hindsight.
Even though No V
too much succombing to bs manipulation.

Man it was a full-court press about this thing. Gotta give them credit.
They played us like fiddles. But not completely because No V.

kudos to those who didn't get played AT ALL.

This covid post is my hang out. It's where I lost my Innocence.

Here's some serious church...

https://cjhopkins.substack.com/p/fighting-monsters

Erika

I suppose that the ‘vaccine’ is really an experimental uncontrolled trial of a gene-modifying substance. The hope may be that more pressure put on the virus will drive its evolution towards becoming a lethal organism. Then the chemico-crooks can run a protection racket similar to the one they have going with Marek’s disease among chickens. That is, to force all commercial producers of cacao to buy their ‘solution’ to a problem they created and made far worse than what was happening in the wild.

Instead of responding to the wild virus blight by fostering life-enhancing methods such as switching to other varietals, crossbreeding with resistant phenotypes, reducing production to every other year, spreading trees farther apart, making sure they have healthy soil, clean water, and other favorable growth conditions – good grauniad, no! We cannot have that, it might raise PRICES and COST MORE MONEY!!!

Mammon alone is the God King to the Corporation Nation. He who must be served. Short-term profitable mass markets must (according to USA policies) continue on forever. Like the overcrowding, bad food and worse sanitation of industrialized chicken meat and egg farms.

We peasants cannot expect our Big Ag land-grab, lab-flab, underworld overlords to have a care for life, health, better taste, better nutrition, happy trees, and all that warm fuzzy hippie jazzbougie nonsense. The chemico-cons prefer to keep unhealthy conditions, earth-destructive practices going on forever. This provides them with a golden opportunity to siphon off even MORE cash from the purblind purchasing public. Not only will they feed us bad food while pocketing big profits, but the producers must also stay in thrall to their chemico-concoctions! A win-win for them!

See, when bad publicity about sickening Commercial Agricultural Food Operations (CAFO) conditions led to public demand for organic supply trains, free range, no-antibiotics, etc. this took away market share from CAFO-crapified food products. I imagine the chemicon crews must have looked around to seize upon another high-demand product to chemically corner and crapify instead.

Alas for the future of Chocolate Futures. Climate heat zones shifting northward due to other sectors of greedy grabola, will likely make it possible for every household to grow its own cacao tree, fertilized by its own free-range chickens, and sharing yard space with wildly variable mixes of mango, banana, citrus, avocado, olive, and breadfruit plants. When nobody goes to the grocery store anymore because we can lazily pluck a meal from the paw-paw patch, make beer from half-spoiled windfalls, and feed abundant leftover mash to the mini-pigs and poultry, what on the New Earth will the poor old chemicons do for a living? They might have to use their HANDS and WORK for a change. Oh no! Or return to high-seas piracy, I reck.

News Flash:

“Make plans to spend the day at the encampment,” three Palestinian solidarity groups wrote in a joint Instagram post Sunday morning.

“We need more tents please,” the group Solidarity for Palestinian Human Rights (SPHR) McGill wrote on its Instagram story. “This is the most important supply we are asking for.”

Tents began going up at McGill – near the iconic Roddick Gates off Sherbrooke Street – Saturday afternoon, mirroring similar pro-Palestinian protest encampments on major U.S. campuses.

“We’re just heeding the calls of our comrades in the United States to push for our demands and escalate, and make our presence unavoidable. To reclaim our campus,” a McGill student who chose to remain anonymous told CityNews.

The encampment on McGill’s lower field was fenced off, with protesters calling the area a “liberated zone.” Stacks of water, food and other supplies could be seen inside the camp.

Old friend I've known almost fifty years has fallen off the email grid. Used to send out a lot (!) of cut&paste mainly religious articles plus some musical videos. Found the phone number from last summer's visit and texted and called: Nada. No reply at email.

When we visited in my city last summer a twenty minute walk presented a problem for him so we had to eat near where he was staying. Yes we're old guys but I cover that distance like a spring chicken. Yes he's vaxxed to some degree. And aged. Oh how he aged.

I feel sort of sick and shaky over it.

We started with anti-war protests and we ended with Woodstock, freelove, drugs and rock-and-roll!

Something like this!

It is already in the lazy media, they didn't have to dig to much:

One side:
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/jewish-billionaire-george-soros-pro-palestine-protests-us-campus-university-demonstrations-fundings-money-2532211-2024-04-27

The other side:
https://t.me/No_BS_NewS/158166

>you can now download the sequences and analyze them yourself

Actually, I printed the sequence and I scheduled reading it right along in the queue with Dostoyevsky.

The threat of avian flu is real, you can now download the sequences and analyze them yourself

1) See we are transparent you can read the sequence. This is like "open-source" where the code is out-there, but bugs, features, specs are closed source. See read this billions line of code, we are transparent.
2) accept this as truth or admit that you are stupid and you cannot read sequences in the morning along with the newspaper.

I'm also not an expert, but my experience gardening is that healthier plants also have better resistance to disease, which would imply that plant resistance to disease is not completely genetically determined. (I do know that both plants and humans can have genetic resistance to a disease--remember the AIDS resistance gene and the gene that confers increased resistance to plague?)

You inspired me to look into this more deeply. Here's an article on some of the chemicals which are getting called "plant vaccines":

https://www.science.org/content/article/new-medicine-could-vaccinate-plants-against-devastating-viruses

It appears that rather than "train the immune system to recognize and fight the disease" (the traditional definition of "vaccines"), this is taking the actual disease-fighting chemicals made by plants that work best against that disease, and spraying them on all the plants. I can see why that would work against disease. I can imagine that it might also reduce the plant's overall health, if these chemicals were to have a generally "toxic" effect especially in excess. So that might explain a reduction in yield.

If that's the explanation, then I'd still be worried about this reduction in general health making the plant more vulnerable to other diseases.

Ochre Shabby Sea Serpent

Yeah I hear you. I'm a boomer too and know there are more years (as they say) in the 'back of the cart rather than in front of the horse.'

I've always enjoyed 'the light at the end of the tunnel is a train and it's running at full throttle.'

Electric Kool Aid Acid Test or I Dreamed I Saw Joe Hill Last Night.

Yep.

The anti-V movement is too small to create 'embankment spill-over' diversions? OR IS Palestine the diversion???????????????????
I never thought of that before.

Thanks for the info. You've proven my initial hunch which is that the whole story is BS. The only possible reason for calling it a "vaccine" is for marketing purposes. Apparently, we can no longer tell the difference between marketing and science. It's the same pattern that drove the covid hysteria.

Planting monocultures too close to each other resulting in disease is something that has been known about for centuries. I'd bet dollars to donuts that is the real issue.

Don't forget, in those same years, you also had a pandemic, the "Hong Kong Flu," with essentially the same infection fatality rate as Covid.

But you had Woodstock, not lockdowns and a massive propaganda campaign to push some shot.

And it also sounds like a recipe for promoting rapid evolution of the pathogen around this misnamed "vaccine."

Based on the same mechanics that create pesticide resistance, antibiotic resistance, varroa mites resistant to any miticide used broadly. Oh yeah-- and SARS-COV2 and the immune-escape variants coming to a theater near you.

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

If one were to conduct a survey asking how much people agreed with statements like:

"It would be better is there were no humans because they are destroying the Earth."
and
"Everyone should be vaccinated against COVID-19"

I bet you would get a strong correlation in opinion on those two things.

The brainwashing and programming is what shocked me about the Covid response. I think it's much stronger and more subliminal than most of us realize.

When it's all said and done, I think Covid will mark the turning point of "individualism" becoming conformity. It's a luxury to be critical of government and big business when times are good, and consider alternative and natural treatments for ailments. When times are bad and panic is raging, most humans seem to do what they're told and become absorbed into the flock.

If this apparent trend continues, the future is indeed bleak.

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