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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 139

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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These past few weeks the discussion around ivermectin has reached insane proportions. I know that some people have found success with it, but I would not know how anyone could tell what would be the progression of time through a regular illness or the effect of a drug.

Geert Vanden Bossche (GVB) has been one of the greatest fearmongers over the past few years. Yes vaccination has been a complete unmitigated disaster but his continued prediction of "massive, massive tsunami's of illness and death among highly-vaccinated populations" appears ridiculous. Unless we count the excess deaths already seen as only the results of vaccination, which is suspect when we know that practically any death could be attributed to COVID.

From a recent podcast "You will see what will happen, for example, in the next coming weeks. . . is more and more cases of more serious long Covid. . . . They will start to replace the surge of the cancers. . . now we have a more chronic phase. It will end with a hyper-acute phase, a huge, huge wave. . . I’ve been studying this now for four years. I know what I’m talking about. I’m probably the only person, in all modesty, who understands the immunology behind this. . . ." ... "The thing I want your audience to understand, what we will be facing in the hyper-acute Covid crisis that is imminent, is that we will have to build a completely new world. . . . It is very very clear that when this starts, our hospitals will collapse. And that means the chaos in all kinds of layers of society — financial, economic, social, you name it — will be complete. And that is what I’m very clearly predicting. . . . It’s very strange for me to make such statements, but I’m not hiding it because I’m two hundred percent convinced that it will happen.”

The end is coming and no one really understands immunology but GVB.

We have a situation where skeptics are unsure of the effects of covid, if they even had covid or just another illness, if there even was a novel virus (that only impacts certain cities and highly respects borders), what happened in hospitals, what PCR was even testing, what sort of diagnostics were used, etc. Practically everything involved in the response seems to be a complete misdirection backed up by perverse incentives.

Do not worry though, GVB says the solution to the maybe circulating virus is anti-virals, specifically the anti-parasitic ivermectin, a class of pesticide found in ant traps, which for years was taken once every 3-12 months and now is being encouraged to take like candy to save yourself from the death tsunami.
When ivermectin is referred to as a Nobel prize winning drug which has virtually no side effects in humans they are referring to a dosing schedule of once every 3-12 months. Remember, the dose makes the poison.

Make sure to pick a side. Are you team Science for the vax or team RealScience for ivermectin?

I"m sorry if this isn't a constructive comment but you have sparked my imagination.

Now I'm imagining ant traps versus the death tsunami.

I can understand why someone would be skeptical of GVB, but you have completely mischaracterized the safety of Ivermectin and that makes me suspicious.

I usually refer to the prescribing information which is sparse for the typical use case of taking it once every 3 to 12 months https://www.merck.ca/static/pdf/STROMECTOL-PM_E.pdf

My gripe is the shepherding into one or the other prophylactic pharmaceutical solution for an extremely convoluted story about how the body works from the one and only man who truly understands the problem.

From the various snippets I've seen, GVB doesn't even mention VIM.... so yes, the poster is deliberately conflating a few different things. Proabably working on the principle that more bullshale confuses people.

The Kunstler post specifically refers to antivirals, and it is possible to find much earlier references to GVB. https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/this-is-not-an-april-fools-gag/

Unless they are referring to another anti-viral but the link above is extremely clear on what is being indicated.

I listened to the entire podcast, and if my memory serves me, he did especially stress the importance of taking prophylatic antivirals. That would certainly include ivermectin.

Thanks for the clarification. In this case, he is totally right. I can tie in a few comments posted on this week's thread....

1. The 'heavy' presence that was omni-present till about early 2022, coincided with the scientific censor dam being broken at that time. Prior to that we only had trickle of studies, hard to find info about effective treatments etc. The veil was lifted, and the real scientific studies eventually became a flood, providing us with a better picture of what was happening.

2. The vexed folks saying that they seem ok and each infection seems milder than the last. Once someone has taken 3 shots, at least 1 would have been a real shot, so after that the clock starts ticking. The fact that they don't mention anything about doing detox protocols with a few adamant that people around them are also fine, means that their immune system hasn't been as trashed as most vexed folks, but the IgG4 switch has happened - hence the 'milder' symptoms. In contrast, in my mostly unvexed family, we actually still have 2 coof virgins... and everyone else only got it once, with the folks who did more aggressive anti-viral treatment upon symptoms ony testing positive for 2 days. No one got it again and again. The 'milder' symptoms mean that the body is tolerating the virus and not starting any inflammatory response, thus allowing it to do more damage in the body. Again, tons of studies showing this is the case from many countries now, but hey, you can lead a horse to water and all that.

3. One thing we knew from the beginning was that VIM has been in use for decades, and was actually safe and effective, even at really ridiculously high doses. Bill Gates/Oxford/Wellcome funded the VIM study, which they finally stopped after 2 years and said they couldn't continue as they couldn't source enough VIM. You can bet by that time, they were probably feeding patients just huge amounts of VIM for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and no one had died yet. And who knows what other issues get cured by such insane dosing. They did the same thing with HCQ early on and found an 'unsafe' dosage, which we knew from long-term usage history anyways. But they couldn't pull the same stunt with VIM. So from the beginning, I understood that if any country was serious about getting the coof under control, they would need to just give VIM prophylactically to everyone for a few months and the whole situation would become a nothing-burger. If they actively demonized it as in most western-aligned countries, then the doom-cycle die is cast. We had the obvious evidence from the various Indian states, where some pushed for it's use while others didn't. Recently Vejon Health on youtube posted an update about Papua New Guinea... poor country where the hospital system was actively against using VIM, the vex rate is between 2-4% at any time.. .and all through the 'pandemic' years, the total mortality kept dropping. Yes, it really kept going down, as VIM was in widespread use for the tropical diseases that are present, so the fearmongering about VIM had zero traction has folks had long-term experience and usage of it with no issues. That is quite a staggering data point, as we see mortality going up in all the places that got more vexed than PNG, year by year.

"The end is coming and no one really understands immunology but GVB."

That's according to GVB. The man has a tremendous ego, it would seem. The size of his ego might even rival Donald Trump's.

His ego has led him to the role of doomsayer.

Maybe he picked that up that big ego getting his veterinary degree or when working with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation on their vaccine efforts.

https://vaxopedia.org/2021/03/14/who-is-geert-vanden-bossche/

Like a number of other prominent "experts" with the plandemic, his background raises eyebrows on motive. At least my bushy eyebrows.

Wow - what a hall of mirrors - where's the least distorted picture?

I actually admire GVB for sticking his neck out, even if clear explanation isn't exactly his thing ... but, has he backed the wrong ungulate?

https://www.rintrah.nl/you-still-have-a-choice/

"Once this thing escalates, there’s no going back. And please realize, you will want to go back and undo what caused this. These bird flu viruses don’t seem to target the lungs in mammals, they mostly seem to damage the brain."

And there's more...
- a pretty picture Rintrah does not paint, so am hoping this one is distorted.

Edited (Language tidy up and clarity) 2024-04-02 21:10 (UTC)

Rintrah has always struck me as a hypochondriac. Geert a drama queen who can't bear to be wrong.

Having said that I share our host's mood - 'bleak'.

Geert a drama queen who can't bear to be wrong. Ț

He is a profesional, for example I am an IT professional I keep predicting the fall of the cloud system. With an event so great is a thing I don't want to be right about. But if it happens the consequences would be huge.

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