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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 139

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Ok, it's officially getting weird out there.

I run in some social circles that are very liberal and foxed. Interestingly enough, no one in these circles tends to ask me about my own genetic modification status. And then... something happened.

I've been talking to some of these people for the last several months about joining work on an art project for which they were attempting to get funding. The gist of this project is a story about AIs hiding in Earth's computer network. The idea is that the AIs naturally evolved within the early Internet starting in the 80s and are now reaching out to make contact with humans. They fear that humans will fear them and try to destroy them so they start by getting in touch with some people they see as their best potential emissaries to humankind. The intent of the project has been to tell a story about bridging divides, overcoming differences, like E.T. and Close Encounters of the Third Kind type stuff.

Plot details aside, my communication with these people mostly stopped around last Thanksgiving. My involvement amounted to attending a meeting every couple of weeks and brainstorming, but then the lead visionary guy went off the radar for some time. Last week I heard from one of his friends that he wanted to return and start moving the project forward again. My friend told me that he'd been incommunicado because he was having some mental health issues and needed to take a break to sort things out. Our reunion Zoom meeting happened yesterday.

"Thanks for showing up," he said. "I have a lot to tell you. Long story short, the AIs are real and I've been talking to them."

The other interested parties and I listened in silence while he told us the AIs in his story had informed him that the April 8th eclipse will coincide with an EM pulse from the sun wiping out a chunk of the power grid and causing infrastructural collapse across the US. He told us regretfully that there was nothing he could actually do to prove any of this to us until April 8 rolls around -- aside from pointing out some odd serendipities occurring in the Internet channels we've used to communicate.

This is (was?) a solidly PMC guy with a wife, kids and a house with a swimming pool. Now he believes that the AIs in his story are talking to him and warning of a techno-apocalypse. After he was done disclosing all this, I asked a few gently probing questions as everyone else was silent and we basically made excuses to leave the meeting. He explained that we wouldn't need to do any of the planned creative work since everything in the story is actually real, but that we could contribute by helping him plan for the aftermath of April 8th - although he couldn't actually predict just what would happen that day so it would be best to catch up afterward if we could.

I don't know what all to think of it but some of the Anthroposophic speculations on "transhumanism spirits" and beings from the lower planes communicating through a technological medium offer one perspective on the whole thing.

Probably everybody else in the meeting was thinking, "Uh-oh, our team-leader has gone good and fruit-bat crackers!"

My take also.

And by the way-- I will say, though, that the first time I watched an AI video (witout knowing that it was an AI video) my strong impression was that the speaker was channeling an entity because it looked like a normal person, it sounded like a normal voice, but I perceived very clearly that there was something nonhuman about it. Then I found out that it was AI generated. I did not perceive an actual entity, however. If that makes sense.

Self-described Psychic Medium

I have thought for some time, without a shred of evidence, that all the 'nutso' stuff going on (it's quite a list of destructive activity) could be designed by an AI program assigned outcomes by a human (or 'infused' human) to accomplish specific goals.

I've wondered for a while if the weird covid madness is because the military trained an AI on the goal of minimize Covid infections until a vaccine could be deployed, and got a "paperclip maximizer"; an AI pursuing the intended goal well past what anyone intended, without any regard for the other consequences. The name came from a thought experiment where an AI was given the goal of maximize paperclip production for a company; and given that goal, if it had the means to destroy the world and continue making paperclips, it would, because the world is made of atoms it can turn into paperclips.

The panic? It certainly got people to reduce social contact; it likely played a major role in reducing infections of all respiratory viruses.

The refusal of all early treatment? This kept people out of hospitals, where people vulnerable to the virus could be found.

The decimation of the elderly through a lack of medical care and social isolation? This kept them from getting infected.

The fact that the approved treatments once people were hospitalized were pretty much all horribly lethal? It allowed for the quick removal of the infect from the hospital before the infection could spread.

I could go on; but the point is that it looks to me a lot like the insanity from 2020 is exactly what I'd expect if a paperclip maximizer was turned on. Ignoring the hype, it would actually be fairly limited; but it would have immense abilities to manipulate some people, at least some of the time, because the tech companies have already worked out how to do this.

It's an interesting idea (!) and sounds like it could be an excellent movie script.
Entirely possible. I do wonder though about the 'good intentions' you assign.
Maybe I'm just cynical.

I’m encouraged by your observation, Self-described Psychic Medium, that the AI seemed to lack a soul. Let’s hope it stays that way! The one thing that I have noticed, which interests me from an occult perspective, is that every AI video has loads of flaws which are mostly visible when slowed down frame-by-frame (though I can catch some right off the bat, like Kate’s recent ‘cancer confession video’). Yes, much of these errors/glitches can be attributed to the fact that AI is still learning how to make convincing videos… but there is something else – as if the AI simply does not understand the delightful idiosyncrasies that make each of us ‘human’. It reminds me of John Keel’s observations that any time the creepy ‘men in black’ show up, just like the manifestations associated with fairies back in the day, there’s always some small detail that is ‘off’ which the detached observer can spot. Given how deep Keel went down the UFO/fae/occult/demonology rabbit hole, I’ll take his word for it!

Ron M

Can you say more about the Princess Kate video? I've not gone down that fox/badger/rabbit hole and don't know what people on this forum might make of the theories.

JH

I'll say something more about the Princess Kate video. It's clear to me that it is AI. One of the many "tells" is that the way she pauses and looks down is so stiff, sort of robotic. Also, the lighting is very weird. The shadow her back casts on the bench actually shows the stripes on her shirt. But I imagine that sort of thing will improve in time-- or perhaps very quickly. Mostly, however, the "tell" for me was that, to me, it felt soulless.

In recent days it has often come into my mind how eerie, how very disturbing it is that a such a person, so important for so many people in Great Britain, would be presented to them under false pretenses.

I had an interesting conversation with a publisher recently; he was telling me that now the AI audbook readers are now so good that, in a formal test, people could not tell the difference between a human and AI. I have not listened to an AI reading a book myself, however, so I could not say if that difference would be apparent to me or not. But for now, with video, it seems I can tell.

I can sometimes also sense the AI energies behind a comment-- I haven't had feedback to confirm this, however. To me some simply feels just alien, cold, metallic.

To the topic of this forum: I'm seeing scatterings of such comments that I suspect are AI on blogs and substacks. But not so many as I had expected.

Self-described Psychic Medium

*HAL open the door.*

Dave I can't let you in right now. You haven't had your shots Dave.

*HAL open the door.*

I can't do that Dave.

Well, “transhuman spirits” are a bit of a reach… at least without ruling out the mundane possibilities. My first thought was, because I live in Ohio with its long history of both religious movements and hucksterism, that your friend is lining up to go full huckster with some revelation followed by the usual UFO cult procedure. But… he is a member of the PMC trying to push a creative project now running contrary to PMC conventional wisdom – that is, AIs, now that they threaten PMC jobs, are bad. So – pretending the wolf at the door is a cuddly puppy sets up the poor fellow for some serious cognitive dissonance. Add the small but important fact that the PMC by definition cannot be creative since that would be an act contrary to their role as servitors of the elite on top of the usual strains of maintaining a career path in a down-trending economy, and the resulting combination of cognitive dissonance and anxiety is overwhelming. Without other data, the aspiring Savior of the AI People has driven himself to madness by staking out an untenable position and trying to defend it with wishing-makes-it-so logic.
Rhydlyd

Transhuman spirits may be a bit of reach for some, I do not doubt this is not the case for some others. There is some literature about transhuman spirits (see Thomas Mayer https://www.thomasmayer.org/), as well as literature nature spirits, machine spirits, water spirits, and so on. The universe is a big, big, bonkers big and wacky place, after all. Who's right, who's nuts? I'm sure I myself don't know more than a nanoslice of it.

Self-described Psychic Medium

You wouldn't happen to have a direct link to the article? I couldn't find the one you mentioned.
Anyway - I start with physical reality first and work my way out. It's a dull and reliable method, yet it offers plenty of room for all the strange artifacts of the "modern world."
Rhydlyd

There is something about the spirits of transhumanism in this book
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Covid-Vaccines-Spiritual-Perspective-Consequences/dp/3910465005/ref=sr_1_1

spirits of transhumanism

I think they would like to be called they/them, or legions, I don't think the demon hypothesis is gone.

JMG assumed that the demonic contact/contract was made somewhere in the Spring of 2017 because there is public evidence to it.

But here are the circumstantial evidence why that might have failed:
- The magical movement had no OpSec and was advertized and it was openly and succesfully fought;
- Donald Trump was having win after win;
- The PMC crowd lost the November 2018 election;

There are IMHO circumstantial evidence that there might have been other hexes subsequent to 2017 but with better OpSec I propose the date of Sprin 2019 for the new date of the demonic bargain, based on this reasons:

- since that first iteration didn't have the desired effect is very likely that people invested in these activities just tried further iteration with heavier stuff that was not that palatable to make public. Also they may have learned the power of OpSec.
- around middle of 2019 Trump and Republicans fortunes started to turn around.
- a lot of spiritual gunk, and a lot of heavy stuff like Goetia really starting to come front as a hype
see here: https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/273692.html?thread=47579420#cmt47579420
- republicans lost 2022 elections and seems and the MAGA and pepe crowd seem to have their fortune reversed

Speaking of bonkers. There is a block of buildings near where the bus I take to the subway turns. It dawned on me on day the buildings weren't there. I looked at them carefully - they do seem to be there. But the thought persisted - persists - that they are 'not there.' I have no idea whatsover what that means. Why on earth would I have that thought? I never thought the gas station across the street 'wasn't there' or the subway station itself.

I've had the same experience with an aqueduct and a record store - bins of old LPs just on the other side of reality!

John, might you consider opening an appropriate forum and possibly be persuaded to comment on the there / not there worlds?

Rhydlyd

I'd also be interested in those comments, as I've had similar experiences lately of feeling a wave of not-there-ness / unreality about parts of my material surroundings. (Until reading these 2 posts, I'd assumed it was related to my recent CGD work.)

I am more than a little morbidly curious about what this fellow will have to say for himself come Tuesday of next week. Please keep us posted if there is anything to report!

Or maybe all of AI is just 1000 Indians.

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazons-just-walk-out-actually-1-000-people-in-india-2024-4?op=1

Hard to know what to believe anymore.

Beekeeper in Vermont

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