Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 132

[ecosophia]

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[charlieobert]

Now it's my turn to say, I hear you and I agree with you.

Also, to be very clear, I do not "totally reject all mainstream medicine". Nowhere near. That's a false binary split.

From experience, I use doctor's visits very, very sparingly - and when I do, I go in completely prepared and ready to resist any attempt to push me into taking a "recommended" treatment. For instance, the last time I had to consult a doctor about possible surgery, I brought a friend to take notes, prepared a list of questions, had my nurse-daughter conference call in to join us, recorded the session, and made very clear at the beginning that I was not making any decisions that day. I was very fortunate that this doctor was the kind of person who appreciated the care I was taking and how much I had thought it through.

There are a lot of very good, caring and helpful people in the medical system, and I give them a lot of credit. My nurse-daughter is such a person - and she is completely on board with all vaxxes, masking, social distancing, frequent tests and quarantining, and she dismisses all evidence the vaxxes are not "safe and effective" as fringe disinformation.

So no, I do not dismiss all mainstream medical care. I use it - but very occasionally, and very, very cautiously.

[(Anonymous)]

OMG, how could I have forgotten the C19 vex's?!? And the equally experimental C19 tests with undisclosed false-positive rates? All of my discussion above has its referents in the pre C19-vex era. Yes, the medical profession crumped and sold its soul (and its collective brain) over the C19 vex's. I refused the vex for myself, and got locked out most of the medical system. I realistically can only see Worker's Comp patients now, and do exams for commercial driver medical certificates.

I have an opinion as to how and why the medical profession crumped so abjectly, but that's another essay. Not today.

--Lunar Apprentice

[charlieobert]

First of all, I want to say that I appreciate this dialog we're having. I appreciate your sincerity and your integrity. I am also glad for the chance to clearly think through and review this whole area of health care.

You talk about health care being corrupt since covid, and you're right. I maintain that the same patterns of corruption are there in other areas of health care, and have been for a long time.

I talk about cancer since I have first-hand experience there. I see the following patterns:

- mis-diagnosis and over-diagnosis.

- strongly and coercively pushing, and even mandating, treatments that are patented, expensive, toxic and highly debilitating. Over-treating.

- dismissing, ignoring, or attacking, ridiculing and attempting to ban, other possible treatments that show great promise, and are available and affordable.

- using scare stories and shaming for anyone who dares question the standard protocol.

That is point-for-point exactly the same pattern we see with covid. And, it has been in place for decades.

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Yes, there is the possibility of using the regular medical system just for diagnosis. In my experience, to do that takes a lot of awareness and research, and a good amount of planning, inner strength and integrity, to resist the heavy coercion you are likely to get to accept "the doctor's orders" - and there is a reason they use the word Order.

For what it's worth, I've had long conversations on this topic with my nurse-daughter, and she completely agrees with me about how hard it is to avoid being coerced into treatment. Apparently there's a label they put on your chart if you dare question a doctor's orders - I forget the exact name but it means something like, Uncooperative, or Troublemaker. C'est Moi.

When I said that you have to weigh the cost of seeing a doctor, you asked if I was joking. No, I am not, and I hope this post helps to clarify why.

--Lord Elrondor LionFart

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, that is generally how I proceed as well. (I wasn't suggesting that you operated on a binary, just that some people do.)

I go to a doctor who I like relatively well; he's an older guy, trained in India, and I've generally found him respectful of people rejecting recommended treatments, at least so far. I see him every two years or so, mainly for bloodwork, which caught a vitamin deficiency for which I am now taking natural supplements. When he recommended a colonoscopy, I politely declined, and that was that. When a walk-in clinic insisted that my sinus infection was just a cold (I have had sinus infections before, and I knew what it was) and my natural treatments weren't working, he gave me antibiotics that did work. Etc. I also got a tetanus shot in the ER years ago because I didn't want to take chances with a dirty puncture wound - but I reject all other vaccines. So on and so forth.

I think it's possible to approach mainstream medicine with a "use sparingly, buyer beware" attitude.