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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2023-11-21 12:03 pm

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 120

gollum governmentWe are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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Covid awareness and Media awareness

[personal profile] charlieobert 2023-11-21 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
This post is about the covid dilemma as part of the larger media landscape we have to traverse every day, and the problems we have communicating with people who still live in the world of TV and MSM.

I think the problem we're facing with communicating with covid true believers is that they are MEDIA true believers.

These are people who don't see the media they're surrounded with; they see THROUGH the media and respond only to its content. The media itself is invisible, like forgetting you're wearing glasses. Communicating with someone like that feels like my trying to say to a fish, Don't you see the water?

What I'm seeing in this forum is that people who are covid aware are also media aware - the two go together, and I don't think you can have one without the other.

The problem of media is a logical level higher than the problem with any specific content of media like the covid situation. I don't think you can address the covid awareness issue until there is some level of media awareness.

It occurs to me that it makes sense that the most useful forum on the covid situation is hosted by a highly skilled and aware occultist, since a big part of occultism is becoming aware of consciousness itself and not just being glamored by its contents. It's a parallel sort of process to becoming aware of media.

Re: Covid awareness and Media awareness

(Anonymous) 2023-11-22 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! especially your last point about occultism - studying occultism helps us in this, by developing our astral and mental capablities.

But I would add, in the case of covid, it wasn't only the "media" that people were listening to (although the media was the messenger), it was governments at all levels; there were a lot of administrative actions that were put in place by governments with which people had to comply. Yes the media did give out these messages, but I think many people were very much convinced by the fact that things like vaccine mandates, or masking requirements, or rules about how many people could be in a room at once, were "law" and must be complied with.

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Re: Covid awareness and Media awareness

[personal profile] charlieobert 2023-11-22 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
By now I think of government as seamlessly part of media. It's all theater. I don't separate them in my mind.

For that matter I include the "official" information I get from Medicare, my health plan, my clinic and so on as part of media theater.

If you called them all, "official sources of information" or even official sources of "reality" I think that catches it. There's a mental leap that happens when you realize that they can, and should, be questioned - and are often flat-out lying.

People in this forum are hip to the jive being put down.
Edited 2023-11-22 03:47 (UTC)

Re: Covid awareness and Media awareness

(Anonymous) 2023-11-22 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed.

One of the thoughts I remember having, repeatedly, was how easy it was to convince a majority of people to think and do all sorts of things just through media manipulation, and how many people won't question what they're told, especially it comes from "their" tribal side of the political divide. People just follow lock-step with whatever "their" media says. Obsess over Trump for 4-5 years, then Covid for a few, then Ukraine, then the middle east, on and on.

The other thing that I thought about in the depths of the covid hysteria was that it felt, on some level, like the worst fad ever, and that there was no way a fad like this could last very long. The more ludicrous and popular a clothing style or other fad (pet rocks, florescent clothing, tamagotchi, ice bucket challenge, whatever) becomes, the more quickly it seems to pass away, and people are like, ha ha, remember that silly thing? Watching people sporting double masks and virtue signaling with their vax cards, I remember thinking, when this fad dies, it's gonna die hard. Someday, people are going to look at covidian nonsense the way they look at other bizarre fads from the past. I think that's part of what makes it seem so surreal - did the whole governments and majority of the populations of most countries in the whole world really buy into this mass psychosis, like teenagers buying into a clothing fad or children desperate for this year's hottest toy? Yes, yes they did....

Re: Covid awareness and Media awareness

(Anonymous) 2023-11-22 03:42 pm (UTC)(link)
re media, this might have something to do with it..

There is a high probability that you have never heard of the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 (SMA). Which would comport with not knowing (or caring) about the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 (SMMA). Both these laws are critically important and impact your lives directly, so time to get up to speed.

The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act (SMMA) was buried in the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act for good reason – because it repealed the 1948 Smith-Mundt Act. The Smith-Mundt Act is also known as the U.S. Information and Education Act, which authorized the State Department to engage in propagandizing foreign countries as a form of public diplomacy.

'The SMA established that via the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG), Voice of America (VOA), and Radio Free Europe (RFE), the U.S. State Department and Office of Public Affairs were authorized to disseminate propaganda to foreign publics, but were strictly prohibited from releasing that same propaganda in America for public consumption. Put simply, our government was permitted to lie to people in other countries, but not to us here at home.

This prohibition was lifted in 2012, when the SMMA was signed into law by President Obama, allowing the same propaganda disseminated by our government to foreign publics, to now be released in the U.S. for the very first time.'

http://philosophers-stone.info/2020/05/22/the-smith-mundt-modernization-act-of-2012/

Re: Covid awareness and Media awareness

(Anonymous) 2023-11-23 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
"communicating with people who still live in the world of TV and MSM."


I had been trying, with NO success, to get a cousin to STOP watching (at the time) FOX news (Now it's either one of the other conservative channels or talk radio) for just ONE week. She Can't! Not won't CAN'T.

But... She knows everything, except... If Trump had won, then HIS shot would have been available and she WOULD have taken it. Because Biden won then it became HIS shot and she wouldn't. Remember Warp-Speed™ was brought to you by The Donald.

I remember JMG talk about if Biden owns this shot and it goes badly then he would get the blow-back. Still not directly seeing that but there are other things that lead me to believe that due to NOT wanting to admit they were snookered, they are taking out the "blow-back" in other ways.

I just re-read that and I hope it makes sense.

~Wolf

Re: Covid awareness and Media awareness

(Anonymous) 2023-11-25 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
The feeling I get from my family members:

Society runs better with my expertise.
Yeah my hair is falling out and my right arm is twitching and damn this jello tastes like napalm but nobody fooled me about nothin' never.