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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 108

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Amen!!!! Well said!
I stand with you. I vow no more masks. I will go hungry or eat outta the freaking dumpster.
Actually hah no wait …….won’t do that i will go eat a pine tree or some lam quarters or purslane or dandelion or plantation or the list goes on and on
VA Mtn Man

I just hope the vaccine mandates don't come back...

Hi danbashaw,

This is a great post, I truly enjoyed reading it. Personally I'm very happy to hear that you are for standing up and for more civic engagement. And I thank you (and our host) for this invitation to order some of my thoughts, if they may be of interest to others here.

Real world civic resistance is important, and can be very powerful. Standing at the street corner with a sign. Getting voters to the polls on election day. Lobbying legislators. Showing up at the city council meeting and waiting 3 hours for 3 minutes to speek to Agenda Item 349. Running for office. Running for the school board. It's a long list of possibilities. And I believe that each person, according to their own talents and opportunities and preferences, can do something uniquely influential in the civic sphere. It's not one-size-fits all when it comes to civic engagement, and resistance.

For myself, I basically coped with the covidian nuttiness of 2020-2021 by waiting it out, walking my dogs, coming here often, and publishing a Substack blog under a pen name. Last year, under my real name, I started looking for and joining health freedom activist organizations. I also started writing to many of my elected officials, urging them to address various issues related to medical freedom. So that was a start.

I've been impressed with the work of many medical freedom organizations that have sprung up to focus on legislation, ordnances, and local elections. (Lawsuits are also vital, but not my personal area of interest or expertise. Let me just here insert mega kudos for Bobbie Anne Cox, the attorney who's been fighting NY State Governor Hochul over the quarantine camps (and Hichul's shredding the Bill of Rights); Leslie Manookian, who got the masks off on airlines flying to and in the US; and a whole raft of people, including RFK, Jr., in the censorship case Missouri v. Biden).

So, in answer to your question, one thing I would do very differently from 2020-2022 is that I would -- as I am now-- becoming more engaged in local issues pertaining to respect for medical freedom, freedom of speech, and freedom in general.

I'd ike to see some more specific legislation to protect us against such incursions on our rights, I'd like to see a number of institutions defunded, and a number of individuals held accountable before the law for fraud and for negligent manslaughter.

I think it's vital to not waste energy on trivial battles, or on unwinnable battles, however attractive they may be. And of the battles that are both important and winnable, there, too, I must choose wisely. To attempt to fight every battle is a strategy for ultimate defeat. What I want are definitive wins, and that I, personally, come out of them stronger, so that I can fight another day. Which are those battles for me? Well, that's for me to do my best to guess when the time comes. I'll take my own decisions about that. Not everyone will like that. So be it.

I can see that many people in the freedom movement have very different ideas and perceptions about a number of issues. Many assume that everyone agrees with them, or should agree with them about everything. And a few, alas, are as hard-headed in their theology as the covidians.

One lesson I learned many years ago-- and it was a painful one-- is that just because someone shares my enthusiasms about a certain thing-- however welcome and delightful and oh-what-a-relief that may be!-- doesn't mean they are fit to have my confidence or to be my friend. So my strategy as I get into more civic engagement is to be friendly, but not too quick to give confidences nor to form new friendships, and to keep my focus trained on these specific issues: again, for me, medical freedom, freedom of speech, freedom in general.

In addition, these activist groups are likely to be seeded with government agents, some of whom are looking to provoke and entrap people. So it is extremely important to avoid anyone who starts suggesting, or even just fantasizing about violence of any kind. It could be an agent provocateur or just an indignant innocent-- whatever, I'm staying far away from that.

To me, as I see it, for civic engagement, my best allies and mentors are going to people who are steady, have some experience, and show a clear focus on their goals and the means to achieve them. Not the jumpy look-at-me hot heads.

My power animal is the desert tortoise.

Masks were always something political and especially the outdoor mandates. You would have to be completely scientifically illiterate to believe that you could catch a virus just by walking down the street.

Here in Australia, I never wore a proper mask. Instead, I made a couple of masks out of an old t-shirt and wore them loose so that there was no impediment to my breathing. I flouted the outdoor and public transport mandates, but I did wear these masks at the supermarket. Despite me literally wearing an old rag over my face, in all the time I wore them only a few people even looked at me.

I think people are over wearing masks here. I noticed that when the indoor mandates were lifted, 90% of people stopped wearing masks within a week or two. I catch this bus service that had a high rate of compliance to the PT mask mandates (80%). On the very first day I caught this bus after the PT mandate was lifted not a single person on the bus was wearing a mask.

Thanks for this. It's a good list of things to remember.

It is encouraging that some of the mask mandates are already being walked back, but I don't think this is over so easily.

Another bit of food for thought is the recent post by Charles Hugh Smith, Neither comply nor resist.

http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2023/08/neither-comply-nor-resist.html

We will not comply our way out of subjugation, but it is also not good to get provoked into some stupid form of resistance (i.e. violence) that would justify a severe crackdown. Making a third option of being less dependent and opting out looks good too. One size will not fit all. That sounds familiar....

Now, how to avoid playing along without getting arrested or losing all of my money. Still not taking those damned shots.

Hot take:
America has diversity hired itself into oblivion. When FAA controllers aren't playing demolition derby with airplanes and Trader Joes' isn't recalling another food item, Karine Jean Pierre is tweeting Presidential statements from her own account. Do you REALLY think they can properly execute another COVID psyop at this point? They can only play the call-and-response game with the remaining true believers. This time, when they call, many of us will be making another response they don't like!!

I concluded at some point that making children wear masks is child abuse. Upon further reflection, I decided that wearing a mask in front of children is also child abuse. It causes physical harm, and psychological harm. That it is also utterly useless is beside the point.

Yes, that means that, in my view, a lot of people are still openly abusing their children in public (and probably in private, for all I know). It also means that out of the approximately two or three hundred families whose children attend our local elementary school, we were the _only_ ones who refused to subject our own children to abuse just because somebody told us to.

And here is a link to the royal society executive summary, stating plainly that masks works as do lockdowns and social distancing

https://royalsociety.org/news/2023/08/NPI-report-launch

Hello. I asked about masks right at the end of last week's post and got some good responses, here's the link for reference:

https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/245054.html?thread=42928958#cmt42928958

Thanks for these resources. My specific question was due to seeing a lot more of the droplets talk around. I thought Dendroica's response in this thread was important.

thanks

JH

I'm locked a loaded for TranscriberB's stare down and can't wait to try "you've a booger on your mask!" to get the Karen-Ken's attention if needed. Also I'll add to any establishments' workers if they argue with me, "You MUST make reasonable accommodations for ANY disability as long as you are open to the public. No, you can't ask what my disability is. Fact: I'm in the 10% or so who does not buy this bat flu mask & jab crap but which 90% or so thinks is wonderful. Which group is clinically nuts?! They'd say I am. Bingo! A Karen-Ken debate win for me! As the Alice in Wonderland Cheshire cats says,"We're all crazy here!" If needed, I'll claim the right NOT to wear a mask under that handy dandy federal Americans with Disabilities law. "Signed by a US President. Printed in black & white in federal law books. Go ahead and Google it, Ms. Karen, m'am, or Mr. Ken, sir!" I can keep spinning such simple statements and dare them to confirm it all with their upper management.

In 2022 I ran into a Mask Covidian in a grocery store. He refused to check out my planned purchases being maskless. I walked out leaving the food - including frozen items - on his check-out stand. His moment of triumph evaporated because the grocery was short-handled being very late in the evening and he had to close his check stand, touch my cootie-contaminated things, and restock them as I walked out.

This sort of clip is getting stale by now, because how many times can you say the same thing, but it's another short one on "why are doctors like that".

https://twitter.com/MdBreathe/status/1696314952666026144

Two or three months ago I was kind of wondering why JMG was carrying on with this weekly open post but I think in the next little while it'll come into its own again as things potentially spiral.

I noticed at least one dismissal of Rintrah's latest covid posts here last week but I do wonder if the impact of so many meds assisted long term chronic infections will come into play at some point. Any increase in Covid mortality this winter and what else are our western governments going to do than rehash a bad plan A - masks, lockdowns and the like? More thoughts on this here: https://philipmcmillan.substack.com/p/looming-omicron-lockdown

'The Omicron infections are rising in highly vaccinated regions and the deaths will follow soon. Will governments stand by this time?'

Doesn't surprise.
Lines up with my company doubling our sick time and bereavement alottments this year. Super generous benefits, that.

Hi Forumistas:

In my spare time, I use to write technical analisys on the local Peak Oil fringes.

Some years ago, I began to see a pattern of behaviour and mainpulation linked to Climate Change, Peak Oil, and many others, that prevented me during the Covid histeria, that applied tha same patter in full force.

Since I had been following TAD since 2012, then JMG, few months ago I started my own blog (usually I publish to a well known Peak Oil blog run by a well known spanish scientific, Dr. Turiel), where I write more on other issues than only technics and how they will made things worse).

My last entry, one week ago, was about this same mechanics, but restricted to the psichology point of view (my wife is psicologist), although I hint to other mechanisms there.

https://beamspot.substack.com/p/highway-to-hell

It is written in spanish, though, but automated translation may do a good job.

To explain the tools and psichological mechanism, I used how Covid was used as The Cause, as a mean to an end (totalitarianism).

I think the title (in english even the text is in spanish) says it all: Highway to Hell.

And I can see exactly the same pattern being imposed onto us on many issues, although we (wife and me) think that this time around Covid will not do the trick, it may even backlash (and I think our politicians are aware of this).

Anyway, current political news regarding soccer (Football Woman's World Cup) shows us how devious is our PMC, and the desafection they are generating with all this fuss (and many lies that had been hidden).

Support for politics, of any kind, is fast waning, as well as for renwables (there are few companies, including a big one, filing for bankrupcy).

More Covid cultism will made things worse over here.

So another Cause du jour will be in order, just I don't know exatly what.

Best regards and thanks for this great forum and your comments. This is a really mental health paradise.

Beamspot.

Agreed, about all of this. I was and am in the same place - I was far more willing to "go along to avoid arguments" two years ago than I am now. I've really just had it with this masking manure.

I have some "minimally compliant" gauze masks that let me breath, and I expect I may don one if for some reason (gods forbid) I have to get inside a medical (or veterinary) facility with a mandate, if it were for the sake of my own or another's health or safety. I imagine I would also comply on a plane if I for some reason I had to fly in a dire emergency, which is highly unlikely (the only thing I can imagine would be some sort of improbable situation where a friend or family member got sick or injured in a far-off place and needed help, and the airlines all had mandates again). But that's about it. I plan to boycott any businesses that require them. I know one farmer's market that won't enforce them for fresh produce and dairy, and I can probably get most other groceries at a Spanish market that also didn't pay much attention to rules the last time (just wear the mask on your chin so we can pretend we're following the government mandate, we don't actually care).

I think what's different this time is that more people have woken up.

They say that in coercive situations, usually about one-third of people are reliably compliant and buy in completely, about one-third are reliably skeptical, and about one-third can be persuaded either way. I think during the height of cootie-mania, we saw two-thirds of everyone persuaded, and no more than one-third pushing back. I think that this time, the middle pendulum has swung the other way, and we'll see only one-third compliant, and the middle third siding with the skeptics and pushing back - I think they've lost that persuadable middle.

I saw this in the anec-data of my own circles. The PMC liberals I know all went in whole hog for cootie-mania and jab-a-paloosa, and they almost all still Believe the Science(TM). I have no doubt that their set will be re-donning their virtue-signalers as soon as they're told to by the Experts(TM). The skeptics were skeptics last time and still are, and like us are probably even more done with this nonsense this time around. What's changed is that a bunch of the go-along-to-get-along people I know, who believed back in 2020-2021 that the authorities were telling the truth and acting in the public's best interest, have caught on. They watched the various lies become obvious, they wore masks and got jabbed then got covid anyway and so did everyone else, and a lot of them have seen the impact of school closures and masking on kids and the impact of cootie-mania on the economy, and they've stopped listening to the Experts(TM) who got it all wrong and started listening to the skeptics.

If told to wear a mask someplace I plan to treat it as a joke - are you kidding? Didn't we learn last time that this DOESN'T WORK? - and if they keep pushing, boycott (with the handful of exceptions noted above).

You really describes that account with her excellently I might say.

oh man. haha. I'm sorry - this boomer just feels the scorn bubbling up......

I give her the honorary Hubert Humprey Eating Cottage Cheese in Saigon Award.

Thank you both - Danbashaw and Desert Tortoise - for two excellent posts.

Being prepared to be sidelined, especially digitally, is important preparation, Danbashaw.

And, Desert Tortoise, this: "activist groups are likely to be seeded with government agents, some of whom are looking to provoke and entrap people" is also worth remembering.

I like JMG's advice, though I cannot remember where it appeared, to the effect that the people least likely to be successfully provoked or entrapped are those who continue to focus on the positive: on what they want to see, what they are trying to build or encourage, what they positively approve of, etc. Much easier to provoke or entrap those who are focussing on what they are against, what they fear, what they disapprove of, what angers them, etc.

Build alliances around working towards positive goals - ie building medical freedom, rather than working against negative developments - ie resisting medical tyranny. The first is far less likely to be vulnerable to entryists or provocateurs, and this is essential if we are to succeed at our projects.

Be well, stay free!

Edited (oops) 2023-08-30 15:21 (UTC)

I just commented on your comment and noticed I mis-spelled 'described' in my excitement.
Honestly this letter sums up my soul-less, narcissistic, manic-maniac, gluten-free generation to a max.

'I listened to the Beach Boys when I was sixteen so basically I'm Carlos Castenanda.'

It seems that some of the face-diapered NPCs are turning more violent in their desire to force muzzles on the rest of us and violate our bodily autonomy. This is not a good sign at all.

https://rumble.com/v3czhk5-when-unhinged-masked-protesters-attack.html

Gates-funded group finds 34% of Americans think COVID shots have killed thousands

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gates-funded-group-finds-34-of-americans-think-covid-shots-have-killed-thousands/

‘Ban the Jab’ Movement Grows as Multiple Florida Counties Join Forces to Outlaw Covid Vaccines

https://beckernews.com/ban-the-jab-movement-grows-as-multiple-florida-counties-join-forces-to-outlaw-covid-vaccines-51658/

Politics — Not Science or Health — Behind Return of Mask Mandates, Critics Say

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/politics-mask-mandates-return/?utm_source=telegram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=defender&utm_id=20230828

The First Published Detoxification Protocol to Help Clear Spike Protein from Cells and Tissues.

https://expose-news.com/2023/08/29/the-first-published-detoxification-protocol-to-help-clear-spike-protein-from-cells-and-tissues/

First COVID Deaths Were Fully Jabbed, Australian State Records Reveal

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/first-covid-deaths-were-fully-jabbed-australian-state-records-reveal

I plan to practice the most important tenet of any worthwhile magical endeavor by keeping silent about my plans and strategies. Telling one's adversaries any details they might need to foil all of one's efforts sounds peculiarly Stockholm syndrome to me. If their goal is to leave me feeling disconnected from all my information sources and support structures, why would I want to let them know where I plan on finding information and experiencing support?

— Christophe

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