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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2023-07-18 11:46 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 102

fairy talesAs we near the end of the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries. 

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
danbashaw,
First, congratulations on your bravery and making it through so far. It was bad in the USA, but from what I have heard, it was completely terrible in Canada. Just the quotes from Justin Trudeau were beyond the pale. I know you aren't asking for it, but someone should recognize what you went through and that you stood firm. Respect.
I didn't get the jab and initially I thought that it was because I don't do doctors at all, for anything. After thinking about it though, I was scared during the pandemic. I washed down groceries and put hand sanitizer in the car and at the door and stayed home. So if I really thought a shot would save my life, I might have done the doctor thing. Maybe...
I think the reason that I didn't get the shot is because all of the sudden I was TOLD I had to get the shot. I was told that I would be fired by my work and that I could not see my first grandchild by my daughter unless I got the shot. I realize now, that was probably it. I was TOLD TO... and so of course I refused.
Maybe it was spiritual, maybe it wasn't. I listen to my intuition, to guides that have told me things in the past. But the people in charge? Nope. I don't remember any moment of clarity. I do remember deep, visceral anger and a sense of betrayal. I mean seriously ... no such thing as natural immunity?! It kept getting more stupid and my anger kept getting deeper. And my determination to not get the shot got stronger every day.

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[personal profile] revert2mean 2023-07-18 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Reasons: (1) Logical. There's never been a vaccine against a respiratory pathogen. The flu shot is a joke, and seems to cause the flu although the medical profession denies that. You need mucosal immunity, which can't be injected.

(2) Alarm - they're lying. Apparently moderna produced the vaccine in a weekend. (Sure.) But everyone knows it's 98% effective. No reasons or evidence given. Emergency Use Authorisation rushed. No thanks.

(3) Then I knew. Started hearing those beautiful singing voices telling me to "just get the shot". Multiple people told me they had their doubts, but "woke up one morning and thought it'll be ok". Long lines of people filling stadiums getting multiple shots. Preventing my youngest son getting in one of those zyklon-b lines has been one of the hardest and most heartfelt fights of my life.

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[personal profile] weilong 2023-07-18 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I had a bit of that, too.
As a rule of thumb, I figure that if I see everybody going one way, I should consider going the other way. Not always the best idea, but it works out in my favor more often than not.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[personal profile] weilong 2023-07-18 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Fortunately for me, it was never quite that dark here. Japan relied on the usual mechanisms of social pressure to push the experimental gene therapy.

At one point, though, seeing which way the wind was blowing, wife and I talked it over. We decided that if it came down to being excluded from society over non-compliance, then we were prepared to accept that. We can live without schools, shops, utilities, and a lot of other things. We didn't think it would be a one-time deal, either. I don't know if we had the notion of endless boosters at that time, but we were predicting that more and stupider things would be demanded of us if we went along with this one (actually, I made that prediction when the masks started).
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[personal profile] mr_nobody1967 2023-07-18 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
That's very similar to one of the things that finally got through to me, namely the comparison between society and government's Covid measures and an abusive personal relationship. Talk about instant {ULP!} The article is actually hard to find now because there now so many articles about domestic abuse actually increasing during lockdowns that typing "covid measures abusive relationship" takes you to all those instead of the actual target of the search!

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)

I'm naturally cantankerous and have had a lifetime of being the black sheep so I was immediately certain that I would be the last person on the planet to get it when I across the Japanese biodistribution study in alt-news in early 2021. It also became immediately clear that my child's ability to have children - my grandchildren! - were what I was fighting for since it was clear it was impacting ovaries from Day 1.

As she is a minor, I had to get my partner onboard. He was given early access and 98% of his company lined up immediately. At the time, he saw no reason not to get it but I begged him to wait for more information to come to light and he agreed to delay. I had him listen to the Dark Horse podcast with Malone and Kirsch and that sealed the deal for him - no vaccines for him or the kid. He ended up getting fired because of it and for a while it was us against the world.

100% of our family and friends got it, we were kicked out of buildings, called names, uninvited from family gatherings...but every hostility made us stronger in our resolve. Every slight made it more obvious that it was some kind of manipulative, psychological trick that was bringing people down and we just couldn't understand how everyone fell for it.

And in the worst of it, when I saw one of the regular commenters here was on a list getting visits from health officials, I drew the line...if anyone came to our door having our child on a list then I was immediately putting everyone in the car and driving to Florida. We would never give in, we had learned too much of the truth about "$cience" and nothing mattered more than keeping it away from our child.

And then...it all faded away and it's 'the thing we don't talk about'. People we know are constantly sick, have sudden health problems, or just die and we say we're sorry and how can we help. But we never mention the thing. There was that disney song that went crazy with the kids in the last year "We don't talk about Bruno" and I think it was catchy because there is this thing we don't talk about and we all know it, our subconscious was given a way to release the pressure.

There were a few sources of sanity along the path: this blog, of course. I am grateful to our host and all of you for being our only friends in 2021 even if we've never met you and don't know your names. I feel like you all are my people and I hope one day to be able to repay you all for what we learned here from you - it saved us many times over. I have also been doing the SOP daily for about 4 years and I am convinced it kept the mass hypnosis off of me ("safe and effective" my butt). Thanks to JMG for that many more times over. Also, a big God Bless to Catholic schools in our town. They held the line, went 5 days a week, never discriminated, never mandated. I didn't expect that but then again I didn't expect collapse to take this format for us. All in all, grateful for the lessons learned and for staying the course. It was all worth it.

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(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Here's the post where it was first set out.

https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/145097.html?thread=18149065#cmt18149065
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[personal profile] mr_nobody1967 2023-07-18 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I just went to check the astrological weather after reading your post. To that you can add three major planetary oppositions, one of them being set off by the Moon (Sun-Pluto Opposition). Yowsa.

(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm curious about something: on Magic Monday, you said you doubted the Magic Resistance's workings could have caused the moral and spiritual collapse that's happening in Canada, because you doubted it could cause such extensive collapses among people who did not participate in it. However, you've linked the ongoing moral and spiritual collapse among the American public (especially on the left), and in particular the weird collapse in basic human decency and thinking around the Covid narrative to the Magic Resistance in prior posts. I doubt most Americans, or even most people on the left for that matter, are involved in the Magic Resistance, so I'm not sure why this would be any different.

Would you mind explaining the difference between these?
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[personal profile] ari_ormstunga 2023-07-18 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Back in 2014, which seems impossibly long ago now, someone close to me died from side effects from his medication. He was seen on a regular basis by a team of doctors and various specialists, none of whom realized that he was being poisoned by his “medicine” until it was too late. Although I was not, strictly speaking, a healthcare professional, I was one of the people responsible for his well-being.

I discovered that, far from this being an anomaly, iatrogenic deaths (deaths caused by the healthcare system) were one of the leading causes of death in the United States. I became a bit skeptical about modern medicine, especially about pharmaceutical companies. Later, but still pre-Covid, I had a few unpleasant and frankly hurtful experiences with representatives of the healthcare industry. To be fair, I also had some that were positive, and I don’t want to paint with too broad a brush, but I became very aware that the healing professions in this country are dysfunctional at best.

As the numbers started coming in and data was compiled about the pandemic, I realized the reaction of the government was massively out of proportion to the statistical risks. I felt that the governments of the world morphed into tyrannies overnight with great coordination. I did not trust anything I was told, especially when the lab leak theory was denounced despite the very real and obvious possibility that the virus came from the Wuhan lab.

When the vaccine was released and deemed safe and effective, even though the studies were almost immediately compromised by vaccinating the control group, I knew that it was yet another lie. The propaganda around all of this was so blatant and obvious that I lost all trust in any government and media sources. I had also read the US Army’s counterinsurgency manual and various government publications that indicated that the government had the capacity to run propaganda operations 24/7 indefinitely. Back in my youth, I was a bit of a conspiracy theorist, so I was aware of programs like Project Mockingbird, which I remain less than certain were ever fully abandoned.

Due to my upbringing, I also have a “get bent” streak about three miles wide when it comes to oppressive authority figures.

All of that left me very unlikely to even consider getting the jab. The final reason, and the only metaphysical one, is an invocation of Barachiel I performed on Halloween in 2021, where I was frankly told that if I wanted to live, I shouldn’t get the vaccine. At that point, I knew I’d die before I got it. No information I’ve seen or events that I’ve experienced since then have made me question that decision.

My mom used to ask me, if all of my friends were jumping off a cliff, would I do it too? Decades later, I discovered the answer is no. She’s five shots in, and luckily she still seems fine.
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[personal profile] slclaire 2023-07-18 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I had the moment of deep radical clarity after I received the second shot in May 2021.

Why did I get two shots? By autumn 2020 I knew three people whose death certificate said they died of COVID, one of whom was my mother. I was 63, without medical insurance (I'm in the US and we don't get Medicare till 65). During spring 2021 I watched quite a few people I knew take the shots and not have trouble with them. I was aware of the counterarguments - I usually read the first page or two of each of these series of posts - but given my age, the lack of medical insurance which meant that getting long COVID could drain our saving, and knowing one of my friends had long COVID and how it affected her, I decided I would go ahead and get the two shots. Call me naive if you like, I'll accept it, but I really hoped that it was the right thing and really would help the situation improve. By that time a fourth person I knew had COVID on his death certificate, so it may have been that having that many people die of it tipped the balance toward accepting the shots. Or maybe I just fell into the mass thoughtform and went along with it without thinking enough about the counterarguments; I'm willing to admit that.

The first shot went fine; nothing more than swelling at the shot site. I was kind of weirded out by the atmosphere at the place where I got the shot, but since the first one went OK, I went ahead and got the second shot.

The second shot went OK at first. But I woke up in the middle of the night feeling quite ill, and not just physically. Something about the second shot was just wrong; nothing I could put in words, but it was there. Fortunately the effects wore off after several hours. But it felt wrong enough that I was completely clear that I would not accept any more shots of this or any other vaccine.

I'm really glad for this forum; I've learned a lot from it which I hope will help me better avoid mass thoughtforms in the future.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-18 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
More importantly - you didn't have a GovCorp cube job either. That was how they got a lot of people - "your job or your jab, choose now". Then there were all those athletes who needed to travel by air and there was a time when the only way they'd let you is to become one of those many test rabbits. And for a professional athlete, the choice is really stark - stop chasing that ball around and the only thing you're good for is flipping burgers.

I mean, you would've probably done better if you pulled the eject lever and didn't get it, but that takes courage, to leap into the unknown, especially if you have a wife and kids and mortgage chewing on you. And it was probably - you also had to be good at managing risk, which most people aren't.

Makes you wonder if on another timeline there was another you who did become a test rabbit. Maybe she wasn't seeing the future so much as seeing all the different stories and how they all played out.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-19 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
This is my experience too. My parents are devout Catholics. Active in the church and community, charity, the whole nine yards. They are very morally upright people as well. When it comes to prayer and living their faith, they are much more spiritual than I am.

So it came as a huge shock to me when my father starting talking about people who didn't get the shot were being selfish. Thankfully, he walked that back a bit when he realized my family and I weren't going to budge, and it hasn't impacted our relationship. But they have still been dutifully getting their boosters, despite my misgivings. At this point, I pray for their health, but if they do not want to listen to my advice, I have come to terms with the fact that they are adults and can make their own decisions.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-19 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
Hello Danbashaw, what a good question, and thank you for your thoughtful personal account. I am in Ontario, where we lagged behind BC and Quebec in the totalitarian drive, but not by much.

I remember a nighttime conversation in a deserted park with a dear friend whom I would describe as habitually nonconformist. We were both on the fence about the shot and trying to work through the implications together. There was a moment in that discussion when I felt a fierceness and a solidness rise up in me- that I could and would say NO to the pressures that I felt building all around me. My friend witnessed that moment and remarked on it. From there on it was just about finding the courage and the means to follow through with it.

Said friend later took the shot, mostly to stay in with her social group, which is adjacent but distinct from mine. I gave up the approval of almost all my friends and family, ditched the pushy roommates, found a new home and a whole new group of friends and through them underground employment- in short, I made a series of drastic life changes in quick succession, all for the better as it turned out. I am a different person now than I was pre-covid: more capable, self-reliant, emotionally balanced. I was forced to take life into my own hands to a degree I had never done before.

I am a person with strong spiritual convictions. However, it wasn't until the summer of '22, when the vax rollout was in full spate and the social pressure was getting crazy, that I got really serious about a daily spiritual practice. It was in fact a tip from someone in this very forum that got me off my butt about that. Since then I have not missed a single day, and I think my still-intact-sanity is to a large extent a result of this commitment to rely daily on the support of the unseen world.

Many people whose faith and intellect I admired took the shot. That was, and still is, disturbing for me to contemplate. I still haven't wrapped my head around it. I am rebuilding friendships with some of them, gradually, tentatively. I can forgive but I will not forget.

I now think that centralized state power requires, at least to some degree, the centralization of truth. I think it is useful to think of Science as the state religion of our nation and many others. Public Health is and has been for a long time the inquisitional arm of this expanding state church, though many of us have only recently become aware of its role in enforcing doctrinal compliance.

Ivan Illich predicted back in the '70's that growing institutional forces would crystallize around 'Health' and 'Life' as modern sacraments. He was a man of deep Christian faith who also knew quite well what the dark side of religion could look like. I'd love to see his books 'Medical Nemesis' and 'Tools for Conviviality' discussed more broadly in the present context.

Cheers,
Dylan

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-19 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, more or less.

When the vaccine was first being talked about, my thought process was, "eh, I probably don't need it, but I'll wait and see, maybe the risk-benefit will pan out in favor of taking it, let's get a bit more info first." That thought process was, I think, a rational one.

But then, at some point, I realized that no, I wasn't going to "wait and see." At some point I realized that I had a deep, visceral aversion to those shots, and that there was, in fact, no way on earth that I would ever agree to take them, for any reason. I realized that I was, in fact, willing lose all my employment, be ostracized by everyone, and I live in my damn car if needs be, rather than comply.

There wasn't a single moment of clarity, but more like a dawning realization that yes - this is, in fact, the hill I will die on.

My best guess of my own resistance is that it's related to growing up with an abusive parent. What triggered my refusal, I think, was the bone-deep knowledge that when someone in a position of authority pushes you that hard to do something, and when the reasons given why you're supposed to do it keep changing, and when people are being manipulated with fear, and when those in authority are willing to stoke hatred against and encourage persecution of those who do not comply - well, then you know that what you are being told to do is WRONG (or, at the bare minimum, not in your best interest). Because if it was a good thing, they wouldn't have to abuse you that badly.

The whole thing just....stank. There was something deeply noxious about it that set off my alarm bells, and made me recoil in fear and loathing from the whole program.

If there was something supernatural at work, my reaction makes sense. Somehow, I sensed that what was going on was fundamentally wrong - that it was manipulative, abusive, and cruel, or was orchestrated by someone, or some thing, that was manipulative, abusive, and cruel - and that I must avoid it at all cost.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-19 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
My two brothers and dad work at a place that was going to try to require the shot. It was looking pretty stark for a while, even though the employees (blue collar non management types that is!) were all set against it and many threatened to quit if pressed over it. Management of course was "shocked." Anyway, one of my brothers decided to do it, because better him than others with weaker immune systems. He regretted it later quite a lot and felt lied to about it. My other brother went online to make an appointment because he figured he had to just give in and get it over with if he wanted to keep his job - it was looking that bad - and he said he started to shake and just had to close the site, he knew he couldn't do it. And he didn't. My dad said he didn't want it but would if it was that or lose his job. I said please, please don't do it, and talked about the long term side effects we might not know about. I didn't think at the time that anyone was going to be dropping dead from it, but I had heard enough to be super wary of the downstream effects. Anyway he didn't end up having to take it either, legal things shifted enough that the company decided to back off, I think. I don't know the exact details. I'm very glad my dad didn't take it because his health was fragile. I wish the brother who had taken it hadn't, though. I really wish he hadn't, but he's always believed in the narrative about vaccination and he's also on antidepressants which seem to dull his mind in some ways (just my personal impression plus previous experience myself in my 20s with severely harmful antidepressants). I'm at a point where I'm pretty anti medication in general, especially for depression or being shot into my arm. I hope he will stay strong and get healthier, I always thought he was the healthiest and strongest of my siblings and me. Ironically my mother was super against vaccination by the time they came along, and delayed and put off as many vaccinations as possible as long as possible for them, because I'd taken the brunt of vaccination at a young age, and had some health issues related to it.
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[personal profile] kimberlysteele 2023-07-19 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
I started realizing there was something fishy when two weeks to flatten the curve became two months. At that point, I started refusing to wear a mask and re-opened my commercial space. I used to have a music lesson studio that ended up having to close down because of the fear instilled in my clients, about half of which never came back. By early 2021, I started a Facebook group called Speakeasy Illinois that helped people find mask free places to shop, eat, take lessons/go to school, repairs, dentistry, doctors. Once the quaxx mandates began, several members of my group helped people get exemptions and of course all the while we patronized freedom-respecting establishments and services.

I too heard the voice to get the quaxx. I am surprised it tried with me because early on I made it clear that I would rather die than take it and was enthusiastically willing to go there if the quaxx brigade went there first. At that point, I was learned enough from my occult studies to discern the entity behind the voice. It's a nasty little thing, and furthermore, there are several of them. I strongly believe as other commenters have said that it is demonic. Of course I could be wrong, but if I had to put labels on the demons involved, I would guess Paimon and Mammon.

At any rate, I want to thank all of you who stood for freedom of choice even if you got the quaxx. Though if you were pressured to get the quaxx and said NO, I thank you even more because you are the direct reason why the Not-sees in charge were not able to go full Chairman Mao. You have my undying gratitude. May it bless you and bless you by the power of seven.


Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-19 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
Related to my comment above (re: my brothers and dad), I was very distressed about the sword of damoclese over their heads about health and employment. I admit I went to spiritual war about it. I can't share details. But anyways they did survive, they did keep their jobs, and two of them didn't take the needle. But as soon as that was over, and they got to survive & keep their jobs, I got severely sick, the sickest I have ever been, with Covid, and felt like I was going to die. I got through it but it took me a very long time to recover.

I couldn't help feeling like it was a blow back for letting myself get so consumed and involved on a spiritual level. Alternately it could be stress weakened my immune system.

Another time there was an astrology thing that my dad was probably going to be in a serious car accident. I went to my spiritual practice for him. None of this with his knowledge, but my own personal belief system and feeling that this mattered a hell of a lot. Well, he didn't have an accident. Close calls, yes. Accident, no. But I had car issues, a flat tire, and some car related trauma at the same time. It was very frustrating. I felt that perhaps I had taken it on, albeit unintentionally, by interfering. And worth the cost if true, but unsettling all the same, as that was not my intention when trying to protect him. IDK.

I still can't quite sort out the different between "this just happened to me," versus "this happened to me because I felt the need to intervene spiritually for a family member no matter the cost for me." I don't know what's right about these things, but those were the choices I made. I make the best choices I can on my spiritual path, but sometimes it's a hard path.

Re: The Epiphany (ML - A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

[personal profile] dendroica 2023-07-19 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
I mostly interpreted the madness as an "archetypal misfire" rather than as a coordinated global effort to control and inject everyone. Of those who philosophized about it at length, I probably resonated most with Simon Sheridan (https://simonsheridan.me/the-plague-story-and-other-essays/) and Charles Eisenstein (https://charleseisenstein.substack.com/p/mob-morality-and-the-unvaxxed).

I never thought masks worked as well as authorities claimed, but I understood that people wanted something that they could do to "be safe". I knew that the "plague story" script ended with a savior vaccine, which I fully expected to "work" on paper only - i.e. for the data to be fudged so that the authorities could say it worked and then people could feel "safe" again - even if what really happened was that the virus worked its way through the population and then simmered down as viruses tend to do.

The main risk that I was aware of from a traditional coronavirus vaccine was Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE). However this typically showed up in animal trials pretty early, usually the first time vaccinees were exposed to a slightly mutated virus. Had we been presented with a Chinese-type attenuated-virus vaccine, my plan was to wait at least a year and watch the case reports and local news closely for anything that looked like the beginnings of ADE, then if all looked good I would get it, even if I didn't think I needed it. I'm not actually a particularly contrarian person, and I'll go along with symbolic-but-useless actions if I perceive them to be harmless and not in violation of my values.

For me, the biggest red flag was that the West was - without much thought or discussion - going all-in on purely experimental "vaccine" technologies that engineered our own cells to produce the viral antigen. One of these - oddly the less-favored - had only been used in a handful of African countries in recent years to target Ebola - and the other (mRNA) had no human track record whatsoever. This gave me some serious hesitation, for a several reasons:

1. I've done a fair amount of genetic engineering and "transfecting" cells with genetic material in my time in academia, and it was almost immediately clear to me that this carried a blanket risk of immune dysfunction/dysregulation (toward tolerance or autoimmunity/allergy) that could not possibly be ruled out by anything short of lifelong randomized trials, and for which six-month trials or first-year surveillance data are effectively useless.

2. Seeing public health authorities embrace and endorse these technologies also greatly lessened my respect for them. A wise general in wartime will not give all of his soldiers rail guns or his pilots Avrocars. Similarly a wise chief epidemiologist facing an actual pandemic will rely on time-tested approaches to developing an emergency vaccine and will only test the new technologies against familiar and relatively harmless targets like flu and chickenpox until they have proven themselves worthy and comparably safe.


That was where I was at in winter and spring of 2021, when the shots were first made available. Then came the incredible spike in VAERS reports, the silencing and gaslighting of vaccine victims, the research clearly linking spike protein to clotting and cardiovascular risks, and the "mass formation" mob morality that was clearly not interested in building a clear picture of the risks and benefits of these shots. So I went from "maybe" (in 2020) to "probably not" (in early 2021, seeing only genetic vaccines available) to "definitely not" by the summer of 2021.
Edited 2023-07-19 02:23 (UTC)

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-19 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
What I noticed right from the start was how totalitarian the COVID situation was, including the propaganda onslaught and the authoritarian messages that were embedded in that propaganda.

In March 2020, my local newspaper (The Age in Melbourne) was pushing the "collective rights" idea. They published an article that argued the individual had no right to say what their rights were, and that it should be left up to a higher authority to decide. The comment sections on the COVID articles were full of people displaying hatred and contempt for the idea of individual freedom. The small number of commenters raising concerns about the lockdowns violating human rights were shouted down. There was one comment that literally said that people complaining about the lockdowns should just shut up and do what the government told them to. I now see that this messaging was paving the way for vaccine mandates.

In April 2020, the Australian media all of a sudden started running hate propaganda against anti vaxxers. At this point I already knew that there had never been a successful vaccine against any corona virus, and I had seen articles stating that it could take years for one to be developed. So I began to wonder what was going on. I could see that the ground was being prepared for something.

In May 2020, the first articles calling for mandatory vaccination appeared. They were nasty and totalitarian, and I found them offensive. And again, if there was no vaccine in sight, why these articles?

In June 2020, after reading yet another article supporting mandatory vaccination, I made the decision that there was no way I would be taking any COVID Vax. My reasoning was this: if you have these authoritarians who say that the individual doesn't deserve to have any rights, and then they say you should be required to take injections whenever the government tells you to, then you should do anything you can NOT to take these injections.

- RL

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(Anonymous) 2023-07-19 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
TBH I think I did say to my dad at the time, please don't take it I don't want you to die. And at the time I felt I was being melodramatic to say that, but that's really how I felt, I just ended up saying it. IDK if anything I said *actually* had an impact.
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[personal profile] mr_nobody1967 2023-07-19 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
The closest thing there is to an accurate pop-culture personification of "the Spirit of the Quaxx".

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(Anonymous) 2023-07-19 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
Early spring 2021. Was going to get it, thought why not? My parents had gotten it.
Was involved in a polio vaccine trial, wife asked me to wait until that was over with, and I agreed.
By summer 2021 the public pressure to take the vax took me aback and caused me to decide I didn't want it. Then later I learned how bad it really was.
So I credit my wife for saving me.
COVID vaxxes are still available you know. You could schedule to get one right now. Funny thing, now that the fight is over and the pressure is off, I am sort of curious how it would affect me. But I'm not interested in the possibility of long term chronic life-altering struggles.

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[personal profile] coyote_girl 2023-07-19 04:52 am (UTC)(link)
As a believer in the precautionary principal, I did buy into the whole cooties schtick at first. Being one of those expendable, er essential workers who was out and about the whole time, I did start to notice that this was not the Black Death redux.

When the shots came out, I was agnostic. I honestly had no idea how they would turn out. So again, I used the precautionary principle and thought it best to wait and see. That it seemed unacceptable to so many was the first red flag. I learned long ago that when someone pushes the hard sell it's best to just cut losses and walk away from the table.

Then there was not just the hysteria of the whole thing but the blatant lies. I had gone from unsure to not even at gunpoint. When pResident Brandon issued the mandate, I was ready to get fired. I was so relieved when the supreme court ruled against it. It was tough here, but seeing what was happening in Canada was horrifying.

I did not hear voices telling me to get the shot, but I do recall when going past drive up needle fests, I felt both a strange pull along with a feeling of wrongness. That and just the feeling of getting jabbed. There does seem to be more to this than just simple propaganda.

Re: The Epiphany (A reflection thread on pandemic choices)

(Anonymous) 2023-07-19 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
I live in Toronto. I should note that I had some advance warning of this psyop which, no doubt, affected my later responses to this whole sorry episode. On the Friday before Christmas, 2019, I was surfing the net and came across a discussion of the Japanese plan to dump the contaminated water from the Fukushima site into the Pacific. Needless to say, the comments were harsh. However, one comment grabbed my attention. It was posted by a doctor from Hong Kong who remarked that, although this was a stupid decision, it was not the only stupid thing that people had to worry about. He went on to say that he had a colleague in the city of Wuhan and this individual had advised him that there had been a serious accident at a “bio-weapons lab” in that city in October, 2019 and that people were already getting sick. He further warned that whatever this weapon was, it was extremely contagious and that it would spread. I had an immediate visceral reaction and I knew this was not going to be good.

I further suspected from the get-go that this entire COVID charade had a political and/or hidden agenda. I told my cousin that I felt it had something to do with the upcoming US election. Nothing added up. The idea that planes from China should not be banned because “racism” was utterly ludicrous given that the disease was supposedly ravaging China. It was so patently ridiculous – even for our degenerate political class - that I knew there had to be something else going on. Like most everyone, I initially complied with the lock-downs and the masking. I was suspicious but I had nothing to work with. However, by the summer of 2020, I knew that we were being subjected to some sort of behavioral control experiment. If COVID was truly akin to the Black Death, we’d have all been dead by that point and, quite obviously, that was not the case.

The next red flag came with the announcement of a “vaccine” – in fact, four of them (at least) – all ready to go. I have university degrees in Commerce and Marketing but I am old enough to have received a reasonable science education in high school. As well, my mother had been a nurse. I could not imagine how vaccines could be created, tested and declared ready for use in such a short time. Most vaccine development takes place over a period of 8-12 years – not 8-12 weeks! And given that some of these vaccines used a new delivery system (mRNA), the testing period would have had to be longer. Again, it just did not add up.

I started to do some research online and came across doctors who were warning that these jabs would affect fertility and create auto-immune issues. I have a 26 year-old and I did not want him harmed in any way and we both have auto-immune issues. I told him that we were NOT going to take these jabs. My mistake was thinking that they would be treated like any other vaccination – “your body, your choice, MY BODY, MY CHOICE”. By May, 2021, I realized that something truly demonic was behind all this and I warned my kid that they might force this which, of course, they did. By September, he was told he was going to be fired if he did not get vaxxed. We had a huge fight over it but I would not budge and I told him I didn’t care if we were reduced to eating wallpaper paste. Eventually, he gave in and was let go at the end of October, 2021 although he was rehired in late March, 2022 once the mandates ended in Ontario. That is a whole other story!

Like others here have commented, this nightmare we continue to live through (I think we can all see that it isn’t over yet) has left me disgusted, enraged and suspicious of most everyone and everything. Although I did not “lose” any friends or family over this, I don’t feel the same about most of them. It has left my oldest and best friend in this world with neurological and mobility issues and he recently told me that he knows it was the vaxx (one of the specialists he has seen told him this as well) and that he is full of regret. Another friend has heart issues although he would NEVER admit this was vaxx-related. His choice!

I will never feel the same way about Canada which I no longer recognize. I no longer believe in the promise of the West – it is as corrupt and evil as anything ever to come out of the East. I have lost trust in most people who I see have been changed by all of this. I still believe deep down that I am living in a re-make of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” – although I think demons are responsible rather than aliens. I have been slogging through essays by Rudolf Steiner since last fall. I think he was on to something.

It’s all so unbelievably sad. Now I just wait for the other shoe to drop.

Liam in Toronto

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