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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 90

As we proceed through the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselessness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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I have been having an ongoing conversation with another heathen in our homeschooling network re the foxxed,shedding and potential impacts. His opinion is basically since we have taken great pains to protect ourselves from the foxes, we should also be limiting our contact with foxxed and/or only associating with other unfoxxed due to the shedding and potential negative effects of. My take is firstly that if that is the case we have already been significantly exposed by virtue of our (alleged) high levels of vaccination (90-95%) here in Oz so any shedding and absorbtion has happened to the majority of us unfoxxed. Secondly and most important to me, is that by ostrasizing and discriminating against the foxed, I would be just carrying out the same behaviours that were committed against us and would be hypocritical and we would lose any moral or ethical high ground. This to me would go against my own general philosophy of facing into challenges with positivity, and the only way we get through this is to find a way together. Not sure how valid any of this is but Does anyone have thoughts on the shedding or how they are navigating this?

Mr Kemble, the southern hairy faced wombat.

Here in Oz I used to get headaches around the newly jabbed during peak vax times. I've not noticed anything recently, so perhaps the shedding has died down (which sort of makes sense with how mRNA works), or maybe my immune system has adapted.

Re "ostrasizing and discriminating against the foxed". I don't think we're doing that, just taking sensible health precautions - shedding is real. My wife and I had a few rows about the jab when she was wavering, but when I said she would have to sleep in a separate room if she got it, she gave up the idea.

Jabbed or not, extra spike proteins are not going to do you any good, but it's not something I worry about now. It's like glyphosate and all the other sh-t in the food chain, you just do what you can. Nb. Pork producers have been using customizable mRNA-based "vaccines" on their herds since 2018.

My main beef with the jabbed is that they're going to line up dutifully when the next bioweapon is released, so the argument that "you have to take poison, so my dose of poison works" is going to start up all over again. It's not that they're bad people (mostly), they just don't think straight and their unthinking compliance worsens the situation.

The ABS says: "There were 190,775 deaths which occurred in 2022. This is significantly higher than usual and is not considered to be a typical year for mortality in Australia." Yeah right, wonder why?

Extra deaths in Oz vs baseline were around 23,000 for 2022, so you could say about 1 in 1100 people died from the jab. If you look at death graphs across heavily jabbed countries, they all show a temporal correlation between jab rates and death rates, where death rates elevated shortly after jabbing starts.

Ed Dowd's figures from the insurance industry and Govt data show the permanently disabled i.e. unable to work again are about about double the death nos PER YEAR and the injured (got sick, but recovered) about 4X. Hmmm, strange indeed how workers are hard to find.

Pfizer-profits

The vaxd... maybe they will all line up for the next one. But I suspect there'll be a sizable contingent that have either A) learned caution, or B) died.

Yes I think so, too.

I've been doing a lot of concerts and live events since they let me back in and starting to wonder about my exposure to spike through the crowds and people I work with. I got sick about 3 times this year already and it may be due to stress from working too hard or worrying about not being ready for economic collapse. It still sits in the back of my mind that I must have been exposed a lot at some point. I'm starting to take Ivermectin daily again, especially on show calls, and that seems to clear up symptoms pretty quickly, but it could just be the placebo effect.

At this point it's not about being polite any more. If they all start to mob up again and you're in the way then the same scenarios will repeat themselves. Don't stand in the middle of the stampede because of some misguided notion of moral superiority. I'm trying to put more effort into finding like minded people but it's difficult so far.

Howdy Mr Kemble, the southern hairy faced wombat,

Funny you should mention this issue of shedding because it has been on my mind. I do believe that shedding affected me, but it has since passed.

On lengthy reflection, my personal stance on the shedding issue is:

1. I have a great immune system, I can let it do its job, no need to get into pretzels about it

2. I drink dandelion tea, anise tea, etc. and take some natto (good for reducing effects of spike)

3. I also take Ivermectin on occasion

4. On balance, there are far more benefits than costs in just giving someone a hug

5. I figure I've already been amply shed upon at the height of VaxxFest, so what the heck

6. It was dastardly evil to try to create a class of Untermensch, and hypocrisy is such a bore

Cetiosaurus

This is lovely, Cetiosaurus. I'm unfoxxed, had the 'rona in January, and it wasn't a big deal. Losing my sense of smell and taste for a few weeks was about the worst of it. It's a shame I did not have any Ivermectin on hand, but I'm trying to remedy that now.

What type of natto do you prefer? I plan to make a trip to our local Asian supermarket tomorrow to see what they have. It seems that there are a million varieties talked about on the internet. It's a little overwhelming. But, if I've leftover spike circulating in my system, let's get it gone!

I love your positive outlook. It's always a delight to see your kind message to all here each and every week.

Valerie

Hi Valerie, I bought small packages of natto in my local Japanese grocery store. I would suppose it usn't too difficult to make at home, it's just fermented beans. I add it to quesadillas or just take it plain. It's a bit slimey. Kind of an acquired taste.
Cetiosaurus

My thoughts would be:

1. It's always better to treat people as potential friends rather than potential vectors of death, regardless of any actual physical risk (which is almost always fear-amplified out of proportion in these sorts of situations).

2. To the extent that shedding is actually a thing, it's going to be transient, i.e. most significant in the first week or two after vaccination and decaying to zero or at least close-enough-to-zero-to-ignore by a few months out.

3. Consider logically how shedding has to work. First the free spike or spike-bearing exosomes need to cross into the airspaces in the lungs and be breathed out, after which bystanders breathe them in. What is the highest relative dose that could possibly be transferred in this manner? The amount of spike that is shed is almost certainly going to be <10% of the spike produced by the vaccinated person, and then even sharing a bed it would be hard for more than 1% of that air (and its associated particles) to end up in someone else's lungs, and then it needs to get absorbed into the body which is another lossy process. I would estimate something on the order of 0.1%, i.e. 1000 times less spike exposure compared to the person who was actually vaccinated, as about the highest relative dose that someone could receive via shedding. That's potentially enough for sensitive individuals to notice - if spike is irritant or allergenic along the lines of pollen - but as far as I'm concerned if a 0.1% relative dose was enough to cause real harm then all of the vaccinated people would be dead by now.

Love this:

"It's always better to treat people as potential friends rather than potential vectors of death"

Or... I guess... move to a different neighborhood.

I've taken swigs of drinks bottles and suchlike passed around between vaxxed and unvaxxed - didn't think of it at the time, but realising afterwards. It's too late now, I've been exposed to plenty of spike proteins and whatnot - I take my daily vitamin supplements and add in some quercetin when I think I might have been exposed. The truth is that we don't know how serious this is - it's quite possible that the worst part of the vaccines is the graphene, and therefore the shedding isn't as big a deal; it's possible that the danger of contact with the vaccinated is about the same as those with HIV, and therefore sharing drinks with the vaxxed is relatively safe, but serious exchange of bodily fluids is dangerous; it's possible (though not terribly likely) that sharing a drink with a double-vaxxed person is as bad as getting vaxxed oneself.

My current feeling is not to worry too much, keep certain precautions in place (such as being a bit more mindful of who has swigged my drink), and to stay healthy. Beyond that, it's in the hands of the gods.

I'm concerned about shedding, but... my spouse got the one-dose vax. Nothing I can do about that, and have been living in same house for 2 years since. Even if not in the same house... the large number of people who got it means if you haven't been living under a rock for the last couple years, you're already exposed to whatever shedding is going to expose you to. Are you going to start self-isolating *now*? Would it do any good at this point?

Being religious, I also have to go with... how does this make me treat others? If bio-exposure paranoia forces me to treat others in a manner not consistent with my faith, then it's the behavior that has to be pitched.

The early Christians were considered crazy because during a plague, when the rich fled the city to self-isolate at their country estates, the Christians stayed to tend to the sick, disregarding the risk to their own health. That's the example we (Christians) have to try to live up to. Health, and even this current temporary life, are not the highest good, to be protected at all costs.

No matter what your religion, a clear hierarchy of priorities makes that decision easier.

I didn't know that. That's beautiful.
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Does anyone have thoughts on the shedding or how they are navigating this?

Nurses and physicians are some of the healthiest people around. In all cultures families say farewell to the dying in person. I don't believe being around the sick, vaccinated or dying is dangerous.

Thank you all for your responses, and again to our host for providing this space.

Mr Kemble

I run an acupuncture clinic, and it has never seemed to me that fear of other people could play any useful part in my work. It is not that I believe myself invincible. It is that I refuse to see other people as biohazards.

Early on I did have to explain to my young, adult, sons (who were variously exposed to the same media vibe and developed some fears of their own) that - yes, we will die sometime, no, we were not particularly at more risk now than before the Covid panic, and that in the event that either of us became ill to death with Covid, they were never to seek to apportion blame to themselves, or to any other person, for "killing" us. We are all living in the same biological world, sharing the same pathogens, and the same hazards, whether natural or man-made. We will neither fear, nor blame, but live in the good every day we are given.

Be blessed, be well, stay free!

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