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It's almost midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. With certain exceptions, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note: Any question received after then will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted. (I've been getting an increasing number of people trying to post after these are closed, so will have to draw a harder line than before.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ here. Also: I will not be putting through or answering any more questions about practicing magic around children. I've answered those in simple declarative sentences in the FAQ. If you read the FAQ and don't think your question has been answered, read it again. If that doesn't help, consider remedial reading classes; yes, it really is as simple and straightforward as the FAQ says.

The picture? I'm working my way through photos of my lineage, focusing on the teachers whose work has influenced me and the teachers who influenced them in turn. Like Allan Bennett and George Cecil Jones, who were introduced over the last two weeks, this week's honoree was a teacher of Aleister Crowley. Theodor Reuss was a German occultist and Freemason who, like our past honoree Sylvester Gould, was a member of the Hermetic Brotherhood of Light, the successor order of the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor (HB of L). He founded and headed the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO), a magical lodge originally envisioned by Austrian occultist Carl Kellner, which passed on the occult traditions of the HB of L and certain specific teachings that originated in another of our earlier honorees, African-American occultist Paschal Beverly Randolph. Reuss passed on the teachings of the OTO to Crowley and eventually made him the head of the OTO in the English-speaking world, setting off a cascade of events that would make a first-rate melodrama or a really good tell-all book. Since I'm not a member of the OTO, my only connection with any of that story is that one of my teachers was taught by a student of a student of Reuss...

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Good Evening,

Big thanks to JMG for the Modern Order of Essenes attunement yesterday, and I hope March is not coming in like too much of a lion for everyone here.

To Share: I've tried to put together a short(ish) summary of Jordan Peterson's approach to analyzing myths. The short version is that it's a simplified/abstracted take on Jungian archetypes, and it's helpful for a wide variety of stories, even if it's not the best-suited tool to every story: https://jpowellrussell.com/#jordan_peterson_s_framework_for_myth

To Ask: JMG, if you're willing to share, I'm curious what doing the MOE (or similar) attunements is like from your end. Do you get a clear impression of the folks on the other end, or something more general? Is the timing of the interchanges very specific, or more general? Again, if you're not able or willing to share, no worries, I'm just trying to use this as an avenue to better understanding ritual and/or astral phenomena.

As always, thanks very much to JMG and everyone else here.

To any who will have them, I put forth my blessings and best wishes,
Jeff

“Those readers who have worked with the Greater Mysteries degrees of the Dolmen Arch will recognize some similarities between this material and the work they have learned. The two methods of healing are not identical but they're closely related and can be combined. Experimentation will show how to do this.”

I have avoided asking any questions about this combination due to this comment, but I have reached a point where I feel like I do need to get some input on the results of experimentation to determine how to best proceed with the MOE training. I interpreted “they’re not identical but can be combined” to mean that I could learn to do both as entirely separate practices and then later consider layering them in a healing session. As such, I’ve been mostly keeping MOE practice to early in the day and DA practice to late in the day.

For most of my time with the MOE material, I haven’t felt anything moving between the hands during the healing hands empowerment or when using the healing hands. In contrast, I do feel the energy moving when using the Dolmen Arch techniques quite strongly. I also feel the Healing Jewels heat up during empowerment, clearly feel the palm centers active throughout the day, and feel like empowering the palm centers in the morning increases my ability to sense and work with nwyfre in general and in particular makes work with the Dolmen Arch healing circuit even stronger. Judging by results, it also seems that in spite of not feeling it, I have successfully used the MOE healing technique to good effect.

The issue is that I’ve regularly gotten to the point where I feel like I can start to feel energy moving during the MOE healing technique, but it doesn’t feel like it’s exclusively coming out of the right palm and entering the left palm, rather like it’s coming out of both and kind of “wants” me to open the above and below connections of the DA technique. Basically, when I start to feel it, it feels like the DA technique, and I’ve kind of pushed this feeling to the side, assuming I’m making a mistake of not keeping the techniques separate, and tried to force it to feel like it’s only moving in the one way “circle” described in the MOE papers, at which point I feel nothing.

For one recent MOE healing, I decided to take a cue from what I understand to be John Gilbert’s approach, and totally relax and not “try” to feel it moving at all and simply ask the Divine to guide the flow. The above and below connections of the DA circuit immediately opened up, and the feeling during the healing work was quite notable. Further, I feel like the “foot centers” connecting to the Telluric Current opened even more strongly than they have before, to the point where they parallel the way the palm centers are empowered, connecting me even more strongly to the above and below DA version of the circuit. (This was after the Healer attunement, so I don’t know if there’s any kind of foot center awakening expected with that.)

So I’m starting to feel like I should just abandon the notion that “can be combined” means “kept isolated except at specific times when they’re overlaid” and simply let the techniques fully merge in my practice.

But I’ve wondered if perhaps I’m subconsciously retreating to the “familiar ground” of the DA technique that I already know, and if instead I should push through it and keep them isolated in order to properly learn the MOE technique.

What do you think?

I know a guy who got mixed up with the Yakuza several years ago and now his life has fallen apart. He was a respected craftsman but his physical appearance has become a shell of his former self and now he's apparently homeless. Recently he sought refuge in a Zen Buddhist temple to try and turn his life around and apparently once he entered the gates and began to speak with someone they gently took him by the arm and led him back outside.

It sounds like he's got some really awful karma. I remember a story about one of the contributors here who sold his soul to a demon and a mosque took him in. Obviously there are unknown details to this situation, but generally speaking what would you recommend for someone in this predicament? Keep knocking on doors until he finds a place that can help?

Hi JMG,
I have a question about wedding / engagement rings. My apologies if this not in your area of knowledge. I have a ring from my parents wedding, which was rather tumultuous and chaotic, including infidelity. I am interested in a couple options to use the ring as an engagement ring for my partner that would probably become part of her wedding band. I am on good terms with both of my parents if that matters in this process. I am looking at 4 possibilities for the ring.

1) Cleaning with vinegar and then alcohol and using it as is.
2) Having it modified by a goldsmith with some other either lab-made or antique gems (maybe aquamarine, her birthstone) and maybe some additional gold as needed and then giving it to her.
3) Have the goldsmith remove the diamonds, and melt down the gold to remake a new ring with a new design and perhaps use those same diamonds and/or any other good gems I can find.

4) Have the ring melted down and donate the money to charity (ie start completely fresh). Buy or have a ring made that has lab-made gems or an antique one that feels right.

My questions are -

1) Is there anything in these processes (the cleaning, the modifying, the melting down) that might cleanse any of the what I'm going to call 'negative energy' this ring may have absorbed from my parents' marriage?

2) Is this ring a bad idea in general? Does it not matter since I am a result of my parents marriage?

3) Anything special I should do with any gems I come across if they are to be used in a ring?

My partner has expressed an interest in not having freshly mined gems, etc because of the working conditions surrounding them. I imagine whatever gems I add should be found on one of my/ our hikes ie probably non-precious at best or should come from a good situation. I have no occult training so can't perform workings, and am not a member of any church or religious organization that could bless the ring.

If there is a body of knowledge or books you know of that you'd rather refer me to that would also be much appreciated. The information out there I've found so far looks heavily clouded with marketing.

To JMG or the commentariat: Is anyone aware of any tradition within Christianity similar to the Jewish Qabalah? I’m looking for a system of individual spiritual development similar to the Golden Dawn, not a church community. I would prefer to avoid reliance on a priesthood, or having to assent to any specific dogma.

I lost my glasses about 6 months ago. We took the house apart with no luck. I figured I had knocked them off my night table into the wastebasket, then obliviously emptied same the next day, especially since frequent appeals to St. Anthony did not lead either of us to the glasses. I kept putting off getting new ones in hopes of finding them. This was not a big problem as I’m old enough to be getting farsighted, though I do need them to read grocery-aisle signs.

Now. The other day I was kneeling atop my bed dusting. My glasses fell onto, and bounced off, the back of my heel. The angle was such that they had to have fallen straight down. If you’re wondering how I knew it was my glasses, I can only assure you that nothing in this world feels like a pair of glasses falling from the ceiling and bouncing off your heel.

Any idea how this could happen?

—Princess Cutekitten

Hi JMG

1: I'm hoping you can help me clarify the nature of non-physical perception. In the past I've thought that losing awareness of the physical body was a part of most experiences but I've started to question that recently.

I've been trying astral projection using the method you've described here before of building an astral form and then moving my awareness into it. During the "projection" I'm aware of my physical body at all times but I'm also getting impressions from my projected form.

Is this dual perception common?

2: Does planetary charity still work if you only promise and make one donation on the right planetary hour? I'd expect it to not be as effective but would it backfire?

Thanks
Sea Spray

I have a question about the origin of kyrrmis from your Weird of Hali series. I had thought that they were an original idea, but I have recently come across a cartoon called Booba and the title character looks very much like what I imagined a kyrrmi would look like. He even behaves and has adventures like I imagine a solo kyrrmi would.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt6581428/

Booba is a russian cartoon and I can't find any english explanation about what he is.

Are these fictional depictions based on the same cryptid?

I have another question for JMG.

When using SGO for daily divinations I get confused by two paragraphs of interpretations given for each card in the accompanying book. One begins with “When it appears in reading” and another with “In practical divination.”

So, I’m not sure I understand the difference between the reading and practical divination. Could you kindly clarify that for me?
Thanks

Wha happens if someone's karma gets out of sync with what their soul needs to learn? If a soul needs a specific experience but hasn't accumulated the karma that would lead to it, which takes priority?

Dear JMG,
If you've been following the events in Ukraine at all, you might have seen coverage of the increasing use of pagan rune-based symbols on the Ukrainian side. This isn't new: the extreme nationalist/neo-nazi movements in Ukraine have been using them for years, but now they seem to pop up everywhere on uniforms and even at official functions.
These symbols were, of course, extensively used by the Nazi Waffen SS as unit symbols. The Wolfsangel, for example, was the symbol of the Waffen SS Division "Das Reich," which not only murdered its way around the Eastern Front, but committed brutal crimes in France in 1944 after the Landings, most notably the infamous massacre of the population of Oradour-sur-Glane. What's extraordinary is that French TV recently broadcast a sympathetic portrait of a female Ukrainian sniper whose uniform prominently displayed this patch.
In answer to criticism, pro-Ukrainians have said that these runes long predate the Nazis and anyway they've been used for decades by rock groups and in popular culture generally, so they have no significance.
My question is, is there anything going on here? Does the use of runes associated with the Waffen SS have any real life consequences? What could be the implications for western nations of uncritical support of forces that use these symbols? Is there a chance of some kind of magical blow-back?

Hello!
Last week there was a very unusual question asked about an ancient symbol of prosperity that was misappropriated.

JMG replied: "Er, if you mean that to be vague and hypothetical, it didn't work; I know which symbol you have in mind, and why."

Initially I thought the OP referrd to the Swastika, but from the reply it is clear we are dealing with a current matter. Is it possible to have some details? It sounds so intriguing and mysterious...

Many thanks!

Hi John Michael,

Just 2 questions this week. As always, thank you for answering and for providing this unique space. My week is always better for it, whether I ask a question or not.

1. How can one go about increasing one's personal etheric energy for health, vitality and healing purposes?

2. What are some methods you are aware of, and that you can share, that can aid the manifestation of Spirits during evocation?

Thank you,

A

Regular poster here, anonymous for privacy.

JMG, thanks very much for the attunement on Saturday! I suppose I‘m one of the people who gave off nervous vibes, see below…

I have a question related to the upcoming MOE work where I really need some help or advice.

About a week or so before this attunement, I started having really strong etheric feelings (buzzing, tingling, etc), on a level I‘ve never had before (a week of etheric thunderstorms).

I‘m used to having such etheric feelings, e.g. when I‘m working through stuff, letting go of things (e.g. in work similar to Octagon Society), or when getting in touch with the divine (planetary work). All of that is fine, mostly pleasant and doesn‘t scare me, but this time was a whole new level, both in intensity and in duration.

The etheric feelings alone would have been unpleasantly intense, but they had some physical effects on my body which seriously worried me (not going into details here, as I‘m not looking for medical advice!!). At some points during last week, I was seriously considering at which point I‘d need to see an allopathic doctor to get treatment in order to avoid potentially serious health issues - which is something I avoid like the plague.

I.e. this was seriously too much. Also, I wasn‘t sure for a few days what was causing it. I had a couple of other working hypotheses, but since the whole thing stopped effective immediately with the attunement (I‘ve only had some very mild, nice and balmy occasional „after-feelings“), it‘s probably safe to say it was some form of build up to that.

Such build up effects are quite common for me, I tend to get them whenever I do timed occult work, e.g. planetary work. But usually, they are noticeable, but gentle and well bearable, mostly on the etheric or astral, with only minor physical effects if at all (say, some sleepless hours in the night before), and they last the night before, or maybe a day or two. (In comparison: The build up effects to the first attunement have been along these lines)

This was a wholly different kind of beast - and one I don‘t care to repeat.

That’s why I would really need your help or advice: Is there anything I can or should do, maybe starting now, to make sure the next attunement build up won‘t be as intense (and definitely not even more intense)?

My best idea so far was that maybe the MOE energy has been re-structuring some parts of my etheric body. So in order to make that less intense, maybe I should intensify my practice, so some of that restructuring is done beforehand? But I have no clue whether that is right or not.

Any advice appreciated!

PS: I‘d really like to continue with the MOE work. It‘s doing me a lot of good, it feels like the right thing to pursue at this time, and divination had been positive, too. So giving it up altogether (if I even could - I suppose some effects can‘t be wiped out, can they?) would be my absolutely last resort.

Also, I know I don‘t have to take the attunements, but I‘m not sure this would help. At this point, it feels that I‘m so attuned (bad pun, sorry!) to the process that I might pick up on the next one even if I don‘t intent to participate - as I picked up on this one several days before, and frankly, I‘m not sure the issues and energy would have stopped by now if I hadn‘t taken the attunement on Saturday (I did consider this during last week when I wasn‘t sure about the cause, since I didn‘t want to add extra stress on top of the rest, but in hindsight I‘m _very_ glad I followed along!!)

Anyway, sorry for the longish explanation, but I really would need your expert help here.

Not a question as such but something provoked by various questions about the existence of previous civilisations on earth. Here's a quite even-handed discussion, with interesting comments, about the kind of scientific evidence that would be needed to provide proof or at least indications, that such civilisations existed.
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/against-ice-age-civilizations

Do ghosts sleep?

Hey jmg

I have been going through your “Paths of wisdom”, and I’ve begun memorising the 50 gates of understanding. I have a few questions.

1-have you had any new ideas on the theoretical and practical application of the 50 gates since you wrote that book?

2-most of the materials I’ve found on the 50 gates are from Jewish Kabbalah, how applicable is it to G.D Kabbalah?

J.L.Mc12

JMG,

As always, thank you for this Q&A.

By chance I opened Levi's Doctrine and Ritual to the ritual section and started reading Chapter 4, The Conjuration of the Four. In this chapter Levi mentions domination of the spirits and uses phrases such as "one must impose the Verb of one's will upon the elements". One exorcises the elements in this practice. Levi also stresses how the elementary spirits "most often torment those who deal with them".

This is in comparison with the Golden Section's calling of the elements for the Sphere of Protection and what is basically a request for their help: "May the powers of XXXX bless and protect me.....".

Is there a difference between the Golden Section and Levi's view of how to interact with and the nature of, the elements?

After thinking over this and additional reading I believe Levi's view on the nature of the elements is similar with the Golden Section incorporating much of Levi's thought (e.g. "They indifferently reproduce good and evil, because they have no free will..." and "The mage who employs their cooperation takes upon himself a terrible responsibility..."). I think the differences I've noted are the two different methods of interaction with them but posting this as a question to be sure and ask if there are, in fact, fundamental differences in the view on the nature of elements?

Can someone burn off individual and collective karma at the same time, or is it one or the other?

To those who are interested, here are all of the requests for prayer that have recently appeared across the Ecosophia community. Please feel free to add any or all of them to your prayers.

If I missed anybody on the full list, or if you would like to add a prayer request for yourself or anyone who has given you consent (or for whom a relevant person holds power of consent) to the list, please feel free to leave a comment below and/or at the prayer list page.

This week I would like to bring special attention to the following prayer:

...Boccaccio's friend and spiritual teacher "A", who fell unconscious a week ago; at first he was being kept in an artificially induced sleep by doctors, but that stage is over, and everyone is still waiting for A to wake up. With the permission of A's wife, Boccaccio asks for prayers for A's health and well being, and that A wakes up in the best possible state.

...Lp9's request on behalf of their hometown, East Palestine Ohio, for the safety and welfare of their people and all living beings in the area. The details coming out are still caught in the fog of war, and various claims of catastrophe and non-catastrophe are flying about, but the reasonable possibility seems to exist that this is an environmental disaster on par with the worst America has ever seen. At any rate, it is clearly having a devastating impact on the local area, and prayers are certainly warranted.

Finally, if there are any among you who might wish to join me in a bit of astrological timing, I pray each week for the health of all those with health problems on the list on the astrological Hour of the Sun on Sundays, bearing in mind the Sun’s rulerships of heart, brain, and vital energies. If this appeals to you, I invite you to join me.

Greetings JMG,

This question is open to you and others.

What is your view, and the view of the occult or alternative spiritual traditions on debt, and particularly interest based debt?

I ask cos I’ve been fairly embedded in the world of finance the last decade and and am starting a banking and credit business, and thus the moral nature of what I’m about to embark on has been heavily on my mind lately.

While I am not from the Abrahamic tradition, all 3 of them seem to heavily prohibit interest rate based lending as a type of corruption. This proscription have been severely watered down via both legalistic interpretations (as among the Jews) as well as the general reformation and dilution (only high interest rates, rather than all interest rates as was previously considered) of the scripture that happened in the renaissance as banking took off and was closely linked to the church (incl the medicis installing one of their own).

In the world we are in now, this financial structure of debt based currencies, trade, finance and payments seems impossible to unseat without massive collateral damage.

Also, it’s hard to dispute that time value of money ( measured by interest or discount rates) has been a very useful capital allocation mechanism to finance all types of entrepreneurship and science, which was very difficult before when it was only accessible to elites.

Yet, the argument that interest rate based structures may have pernicious effects on the human mind, spirit and society weighs on my mind. I’m spending time thinking of how I can try to do things differently (there are many interesting attempts on-going at non-commodity money or local credit networks/ledgers, mutual credit obligations to trade goods and services directly etc but nothing that has truly cracked it and can be a viable alternative to the world of finance we’re subject to).

Any thoughts are welcome.

PS. I cast a I Ching asking “what is the moral nature of interest rates” and it returned Unchanging 18 (corruption). Hah, funny.

Does sunlight have similar etheric cleansing effects to cold water?

When doing the planetary charity for Jupiter, how important is the incense? If I don't have Storax, will Frankincense do?

Hi JMG

You might have seen the news coverage of the President of Mexico tweeting (in all seriousness) a picture of what he claimed to be an "alux" - which essentially seems to be the Mexican/Spanish name for a Faerie creature.

https://news.sky.com/story/mexican-president-andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-shares-photo-of-mythological-woodland-alux-on-social-media-12821580

Unsurprisingly he's been ridiculed for it in the mainstream media.

Do you think it's actually a faerie creature? And why would a world leader risk this kind of ridicule to post a picture like that?

Hi JMG & Commentariat--

1) I have made a new talisman that is meant to cause the truth to come out-- And it seems to be effective! I took it to court and my adversary lost his temper and said things that did not help his case. The judge saw through him, and I won. It seemed to help me and my counterparty in a contract negotiation to get to the bottom of the issues and make an agreement. However-- Raspberry jam effect! It also causes _me_ to be very truthful. I accidentally left it in my wallet one day when going to work, and found myself saying what I really thought when discretion might have been more helpful-- To me, at least!

Question: I notice that when I take the talisman somewhere far from home, I permanently lose something valuable to me. I have lost a small pocket knife and my favorite hat, so far. My sense is that the talisman is somehow taking payment for services rendered.
Is it typical for a talisman to take payment like this, or could something else be going on?

2) Blessing walk and healing results--
I have been working through the Modern Order of Essenes exercises, and have gotten to part 2 of the Blessing Walk (blessing humans and animals). I have been doing the healing exercises in my morning meditations and asking the universe to work through me to bring healing to those around me. Since I work in health care, there are a lot of people who need healing!

I notice that a lot of people coming to me are getting rapidly and unexpectedly better. For example, one person who lost all feeling and the use of the right arm was expected to never be able to use it again.
This person now can feel pain, has some sensation at her finger tips, and can lift her arm to shoulder height and move her fingers. Another person who cut part way thru a hand with a chain saw has had rapid healing of the wound and recovery of much of the function of the hand.

At the same time, a lot of my terminally ill patients are dying quickly at home of natural causes. There have been 12 such deaths in the last 2 weeks.

Question: Is this a case of healings and deaths working out a balance in the universe? Ie., if I continue to be a channel for healing, can I expect more deaths as well? Or would it be more correct to think of the home deaths of the elderly as healings in the sense that their suffering was limited at the ends of their lives?

Thank you for any insights you or my fellow readers can provide! I hope to get the healing attunement the next time you offer it.

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