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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 54

As we move further into the second year of these open posts, it's pretty clear that the official narrative is cracking as the toll of deaths and injuries from the Covid vaccines rises steadily and the vaccines themselves demonstrate their total uselesness at preventing Covid infection or transmission. It's still important to keep watch over the mis-, mal- and nonfeasance of our self-proclaimed health gruppenfuehrers, and the disastrous results of the Covid mania, but I think it's also time to begin thinking about what might be possible as the existing medical industry reels under the impact of its own self-inflicted injuries.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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I saw some of it. I can't stomach this type of pompous moral self righteusness much these days, so I didn't watch all of it. 2 thoughts came to my mind right away (pure baseless speculation on my part, I admit):
1. The demon hypothesis; Peoples moral compass implodes. Harris seems to exemplify this. He is not the only intellectual that has made dubious arguments lately. Earlier ”rock star philosopher” Slavoj Zizek evoked the famous Bush doctrine when he argued that ”everyone who is not on the side of Ukraine is not with us!” Chomsky was also flirted with totalitarianism when asked how he wanted to deal with the unclean unvixxenated people.
2. Vixxen related cognitive decline. His arguments lacked rigor that he used to have. It's as if he hadn't thought about the implications of his arguments at all. ”Trump evil, ergo evil against Trump is permitted!” His arguments didn't seem as sophisticated as before. It's as if he had reverted to some baseline impulse instead.

- Juhani

Fascinating I’ve always been dubious of Harris’ attempts to get the religion out of Buddhism. It’s always sounded a bit like getting the science out of biology to me. Good luck.
I’m also no greater lover of Slavoj. I don’t think he’s particularly deep just depressed and wanting to be shocking. I did laugh at his anti-flowers video. This is what happens when you take Werner Herzog a bit too seriously. He seems to think about two moves ahead. But very much no further. His whole philosophic bent seems to be “don’t get backed into a corner.” Which pretty much translates to me as “lacks the courage of his convictions.” “If you’re not with us you’re against us” thinking? Pathetic. I’ll take against please, on general principles.
Chomsky has been exposed and been a mess for awhile.

Anyway in relation to your hypothesis of vixen related cognitive decline, it’s also well known that extreme emotions turn off the thinking parts of a human IQ. Adrenaline dump. In the book “Deep Survival” there’s this section where they are talking about adrenaline dumps, specifically about landing a plane on an aircraft carrier iirc. “Your iq rolls back to that of an ape.”

If someone is suffering from TDS to the point where hyperbolic and hypothetical children's corpses aren’t enough to turn you from the course then, we’ll maybe you have TDS. And maybe that level of vitriolic hatred has caused you to lose a step in otherwise clear thinking. As someone pointed out recently you don’t fight fire with fire. You fight fire with water. Not saying demons or vixens couldn’t be involved but just adding that angry people aren’t really know for clear thinking either.

having had to deal with several people with severe tds for the past six(!) years has been quite the learning experience. all one has to do is speak the word trump in any context and they fly into a bulging-eyed, spittle-flecked tirade that starts with anything and everything wrong in the world is trump's fault, and ends with them wishing for his demise. it's super creepy to watch.

it's a one word 9th level "rage" spell that offers no saving throw. and anyone, from the lowliest of street urchins on up to the high priestess at the temple, can cast it at will. but it only works if the spell's target has contracted tds.

fast forward to "joe biden's" election. to keep the d&d theme going (hat tip to anon below), the intellectual paladins sallied forth and slayed the orange dragon. upon realizing they had a record setting army of people suffering from tds, lined up behind them and obsessed with fighting the orange dragon that had already been vanquished, the intellectual paladins found themselves in a quandary.

and thus, a rider was sent to the sages, asking for a different spell that would keep the new army loyal, yet committed to a different cause.

the sages huddled. then they consulted the mages. eventually, an agreement between the ruling intellectuals came to fruition. and so a rider dispatched to deliver the new spell to the paladins camp.

the rider made it safely to the intellectual paladins camp. when the head paladin broke the wax seal on the scroll, none present knew what to expect.

it turned out that their prayers had been answered. the huddled sages and consulted mages had indeed come up with a new spell.

the head paladin announced to the masses that there was a new dragon to slay, almost on par with the orange one, and thusly to be similarly opposed.

however, back in the tents of the sages and mages that travelled with the army, there was some concern.

the new spell was only 4th level. the loyal tds sufferers now get to roll a saving throw, though admittedly the -5 that got tacked on to the roll by one of the sages committee leaders made it palatable to the hardliners. and as for those that hadn't succumbed to tds and were there for other reasons? they get a +5 on their saving throw.

the intellectual paladins, the very ones that had slain the orange dragon, convened in a council. after deliberations, they decided to cast the new spell. there were risks, yes. some of the army might make their save, and therefore the army would be weakened.

the risks and benefits had been weighed by the experts. the head paladin donned his most formal attire. he approached the podium, preparing to cast the new spell.

his lips parted.

"anti-vaxxers" were the words the paladin spoke. arguments broke out, is it one word? two words? a compound word? this would take several months for the experts to come to a satisfactory conclusion.

immediately, however, the orange dragon, while still the most evil dragon ever, was superseded by by this new threat. everyone rolled their 20-sider.

a few made their saving throws, despite the -5. likewise, some of the orange dragon's army failed despite their +5 advantage.

and so, the forces in the field became devoted to a new quest. because honor, and glory.

If someone is suffering from TDS to the point where hyperbolic and hypothetical children's corpses aren’t enough to turn you from the course then, we’ll maybe you have TDS. And maybe that level of vitriolic hatred has caused you to lose a step in otherwise clear thinking. As someone pointed out recently you don’t fight fire with fire. You fight fire with water. Not saying demons or vixens couldn’t be involved but just adding that angry people aren’t really know for clear thinking either.

Right! Right! That's a really good point. Many people seem to be running on extreme emotions these days. So it could be just psychology. I've even met TDS people here in Finland too. I only thought how weird it was to use all that mental energy on hating a man from a foreign country. It made no sense to me, so I didn't really think about it much.

-Juhani

I had a very stupid drawn out internet argument with an Australian fellow on a message board I frequent a couple years ago that consisted with him essentially getting all worked up and calling me an idiot because I was an American who didn't think that the Donald was the absolute, horrid end of the world and didn't want to get up in arms about it. Half of the argument boiled down to "1. There isn't much I can really do about it anyway, yeah he's a dummy but I have more important and especially more local and relevant to me things to worry about and 2. Why on earth do you care, you don't even live here?"

Irritatingly someone else bumped the thread a couple weeks ago to gloat about how he was happy 'all those other people I don't agree with are leaving california' and gloat about his new electric car and how great it was. Australian dude didn't skip a beat to gloat about his electric car and how apparently his regurgitation of marketing material for it meant that I was '100% totally wrong' in a comment about the unfeasibility of transitioning the entire grid to them I made like...2 years ago.

I thought about replying, but then remembered that arguing with sanctimonious idiots on the internet is a waste of mental power so I just ignored him.

Will add my recommendation to read Deep Survival. Very good.

Interesting.

I see this as also being example of the type of phenomena that results from the 'demonic' nature of the system more broadly and the leftist's role within it.

These guys you mention, well, they have all assumed for themselves this romantic persona of being an intellectual knight who sallies forth to slay all these evil dragons, but really all they are doing is working to improve and maintain the system's efficient and productive functioning and meeting their own psychological needs for power, and to do something 'meaningful' while being admired and worshipped as self-sacrificing, noble, etc.

However, the system itself is 'demonic', and that means that it's paladins must tie themselves up in knots with this tortured and hypocritical 'logic' to maintain this illusion that they're actually these chivalrous and 'good' Arthurian knights of legend, instead of the bunch of twisted Nazgul that they've become in service of 'Sauron'.

Going with your examples, Harris (who I admit to not being familiar with) thinks it's okay to conspire and suppress the truth to get a globalist into power, Zizek and Chomsky are both happy to trample individuals' liberty and dignity with their support for enforcing the system's will with respect to health - and no doubt everything else that they think is in the systems'/collective interests as well.

And these 'paladins' will justify this as being for your own good, and the good of society, but really, it's all about what's good for the 'demonic' system and to satisfy the needy personal psychology of the leftist.

Time and again I find myself noting that Kaczynski was on the money in his critique of the industrial-technological system. This time he seems about leftist psychology, and how the system's neatest trick is to co-opt the psychological needs of the 'rebellious' leftist to become its greatest servants.

Forgive me for heading off on a bit of a tangent, but this makes me wonder what Kaczynski thinks about the clot-shots and the Wuhan Flu? It would be interesting to hear if he has said anything about them.

”These guys you mention, well, they have all assumed for themselves this romantic persona of being an intellectual knight who sallies forth to slay all these evil dragons, but really all they are doing is working to improve and maintain the system's efficient and productive functioning and meeting their own psychological needs for power, and to do something 'meaningful' while being admired and worshipped as self-sacrificing, noble, etc.

However, the system itself is 'demonic', and that means that it's paladins must tie themselves up in knots with this tortured and hypocritical 'logic' to maintain this illusion that they're actually these chivalrous and 'good' Arthurian knights of legend, instead of the bunch of twisted Nazgul that they've become in service of 'Sauron'.

Going with your examples, Harris (who I admit to not being familiar with) thinks it's okay to conspire and suppress the truth to get a globalist into power, Zizek and Chomsky are both happy to trample individuals' liberty and dignity with their support for enforcing the system's will with respect to health - and no doubt everything else that they think is in the systems'/collective interests as well.”

Very insightful.I can personally recognize all of this within myself. I was a pretty hardcore lefty a decade a go, untill I somehow ended up reading a book on Nietzsche and I realized what a hypocrite I really was. Luckily for the world I never held any real institutional power, so I couldn't do much damage to other people. My own inner life had become twisted like a snakes nest though. I did a lot of moral posturing and that's why I have such a distate for it now; It reminds me of myself.

Yeah...The system might really be demonic. You are propably right. It doesn't really allow for anything to be sacred anymore. It has no place for the human spirit either.

-Juhani

Speaking of evil systems, I was just dealing with the utility companies this morning... it turns out that in the city I just moved to, the power company decided sometime back that local offices were a thing of the past, and no longer needed. So they don't have one. It's also impossible to get a human being on the phone, and none of their website options would give me the letter I needed to take to the gas company, to get my gas turned on.

If this is how the internet makes everything better, I'll cheer when it dies.

Who was it who had the vision of the malevolent worldwide spiders? I think I've seen some of their shiny chitinous legs...

"I was a pretty hardcore lefty a decade a go, untill I somehow ended up reading a book on Nietzsche and I realized what a hypocrite I really was"

Yeah, I was a pretty hardcore lefty too, but I just couldn't handle all the cognitive dissonance that came with it.

I found myself increasingly at odds with the whole shemozzle, but I must. . . suppress. . . urge. . . to rant. . .on and on. . . about evils of neoliberalism, endless economic growth in a limited system, mammon worship, inappropriate and downright satanic technology, . . . etc, etc. . .

Phew, that was close :P

I will take this chance though to agree with you though that the system doesn't really allow things to be sacred, or have a place for the human spirit.

Instead, the system represents an absolute horror show of de-humanization and de-sacralization. And as we've all seen play out recently, that which de-sacralizes becomes the sacred. Hence the abominable new 'unchallengeable' religion of 'progress/scientism' that's worshipped by the authorities with its sacramental clotshots etc, etc.

I guess the same is probably of de-humanization, what with individuals being mandated to take shots against their will, and with the othering and segregation of clotshot refuseniks, but with pharama corporations (which are regarded as legal individuals/persons) being fawned over and protected from the repercussions of their actions and products. I mean, which of the two (real vs fictional legal persons) is getting treated more 'humanely' in that example!

And wasn't there some Google engineer (or whoever) the other day who said that the AI he was working on was now a person? How long will it take for the scientism faithful to start seriously talking about rights for machines?

It's all pretty loathsome really.

And here I was saying I wasn't going to rant!

I'm going to try to lighten things up a bit: It's a cold, grey and rainy day where I live, but I'm sitting in a warm and comfy chair, looking out my window at three gorgeous breeding pairs of flame-scarlet and green Australian King Parrots in the tree across the street.

I have not watched it, but I wanted to say

Juhani, you write: "It's as if he had reverted to some baseline impulse instead. "

I have observed this in so many otherwise deeply thoughtful and compassionate people, quite a change since 2019.

It literally seems as if something is being switched off, or somehow overwhelmed, in their minds.

”I have observed this in so many otherwise deeply thoughtful and compassionate people, quite a change since 2019.

It literally seems as if something is being switched off, or somehow overwhelmed, in their minds. ”

Right! How strange it is. It's like all of a sudden people have one track minds. There is no nuance, no context..Life should be black and white?. Things are either good or they are bad. Just very binary thinking.

-Juhani

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