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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2022-06-19 11:34 pm

Magic Monday

Card 27It's getting on for midnight, so we can proceed with a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism and I'll do my best to answer it. With certain exceptions, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note:  Any question received after then will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted. I've been getting an increasing number of people trying to post after these are closed, so will have to draw a harder line than before.) If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.0 of The Magic Monday FAQ hereAlso: I will not be putting through or answering any more questions about practicing magic around children. I've answered those in simple declarative sentences in the FAQ. If you read the FAQ and don't think your question has been answered, read it again. If that doesn't help, consider remedial reading classes; yes, it really is as simple and straightforward as the FAQ says. 

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(Anonymous) 2022-06-20 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
In which case, if the elites are insane, then the likelihood of a vaccine induced die off is a lot lower than it seems. So, oddly enough, we're better off if they've gone insane in this particular way...

(Anonymous) 2022-06-20 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
Not all Plutonian Phenomena ended in a whimper of failure in the short term: the Russian Revolution and Nazism both come to mind here: they both accomplished a great deal before slamming into disaster and imploding. So I'm not sure that we can be so confident that if the elite classes are determined to wreck as much of society as possible things won't get very, very ugly for a few years, especially if we drew a bullet in the society wide game of Russian Roulette we just played....

(Anonymous) 2022-06-20 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)
It always struck me that the Communist regime lasted about 80 years - one person's long lifetime. As did the theocracy in Heinlein's Future History chart (2012-2100. Beginning with a vulgar, low-class, nearly illiterate televangelist with Old Money backing running for President and winning. Overthrown by a fed-up populace, complete with a harem revolt 80 years later.) First, Heinlein was a fairly decent observer of human nature on the ground in his day; second, 70-80 years feels to me - yeah - intuitive reasoning - like just about the right length for a basically unsustainable regime.

Nazism, of course less than 20 years (sound track from the finale to Wagner's magnum opus.) The Pathet Lao self-destructed spectacularly, as did the regime in Rumania whose pro-natalism policy filled the orphanages with starved and neglected children.

These fly-by-night dictatorships - Plutonian? Or something else?

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[personal profile] booklover1973 2022-06-20 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
And where would you place North Korea? It is, after all, a very idiosyncratic, very ideological and very isolationist regime, which, at the same time, has hitherto weathered all crises which history threw at it. I'm not sure that a single malefic planet fits the bill comfortably.

[personal profile] booklover1973 2022-06-20 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, especially because of their prison camps, whose inmates are usually never released, North Korea clearly is very Saturnine. Additionally, it has, if I'm correctly informed about Uranus, an Uranian streak due to its weird leader cult.

(Anonymous) 2022-06-20 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Since you've already highlighted the prime example thereof, could you perhaps also give a concise description of what a typical pluto dictatorship amounts to in general terms, like you've done with the others above?

(Anonymous) 2022-06-20 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Pluto also rules the modern cult of personality, and it seems to me like a lot of Plutonian dictatorships last only as long as their leader does, before shifting into one of the other forms. This makes a lot more sense of the phenomena of the celebrity presidents (ever since FDR), and suggests another reason to think the US spent the Plutonian Era as a Plutonian Dictatorship...

(Anonymous) 2022-06-20 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
And Plutonian dictatorships are those weird dictatorships which pretend to be a government of the people. This also explains a lot of what's happening now: those Plutonian dictatorships, as Plutonian Phenomena, had the tendency to run to extremes via unchecked positive feedback loops, and the typical Plutonian ruthlessness to be willing to obliterate any threat to their power: religion, which reaches beyond the world; community, which provides other sources of the raw materials for survival; education, which would teach people how to recognize what was happening; real skills, which would allow people to opt out of some of the consumer economy, and thus reduce our dependence on the system; the family, which provides a link to the past and to the community, and thus a way out of the toxicity the dictatorship seeks to impose, and makes it easier to see it for what it is.

This helps explain why the societies in the Western World have had such a long standing issues with community organizations, religion, their own educational systems, and the like: all of them are threats to the ability of the Plutonian dictatorship to be able to implement its extreme agenda.

Additionally, this is a fairly rigid and destructive ideology at the heart of it: an anti-human and anti-community ideology. As long as Pluto was a planet though, it ruled this system of dictatorship, while now, this system of dictatorship is collapsing on an internal contradiction, being pulled partially towards the Uranian ideological dictatorship (this seems to be where the left is going) and towards becoming what it pretended to be (this seems to be where the right is going).

Hmm...

(Anonymous) 2022-06-20 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
What do you make of the way some people seem to want to blame Pluto for everything that's gone wrong since World War I?

(Anonymous) 2022-06-20 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Or in this case the kind involved in pretending that all the bad things in the universe come from one source. And something else just clicked: it also rules Utopian fantasies and hype, and a lot of people who are aware of the effects of Pluto fading out are engaged in copious amounts of both, focused on what the Post-Plutonian World will look like, just as soon as all the evil (Pluto) finishes going away....