Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 24

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as more and more vaccinated people call in sick with the disease the vaccine was supposed to keep them from getting, and the euphemism "died suddenly" sounds like a repeated drumbeat in the media, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Re: Red vs. Blue

[kashtan]

New Zealand is an interesting control group of sorts, having a high vaccination rate but as of yet an insignificant percentage of the population that has had the virus itself. In addition to the questions you have, I'd add that vaccine injuries are more common in those who had the infection prior to getting vaccinated, so you could be having a lower rate of adverse events because of having fewer people in that situation.

It's still early in the game for the long term effects of the Vac and interactions between the Vac and the virus, especially for NZ, so we'll just have to wait and see.

Re: Red vs. Blue

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, sorry, I was going to add that one onto my list of questions too.

I was going to use the Australian excess death stats to answer that one in part, as they have had substantial Covid outbreaks, at a lower level of vaccination. Their excess death rate has bumped along largely lower than expected, with a couple of minor spikes. However, I can't get up to date data, as their latest mortality stats are from October 2021. They are in the middle of a severe Omicron outbreak now, but from what I can see, the death rates aren't skyrocketing. Sickness is. I see Australia as about six to nine months ahead of NZ.

The increased rate of vaccine injury theory for those who have had Covid before makes a lot of sense.

NZ will find out once Omicron breaks out, which could be any day now, particularly if people get booster shots after infection. I don't honestly know what way people will go, for now, trust in the government on Covid is very high - there are loud voices of dissent, but the numbers are tiny. People may think, I've had Covid now, don't need another vaccine, or they might say, that was bad, I'll start getting it the way I get my annual flu shot, and then the vaccine induced sickness theory can be tested.

Re: Red vs. Blue

[(Anonymous)]

Martenson has a recent post on this in NZ. There is a chart about halfway through that tracks vaccine uptake with all cause mortality. It's pretty visually compelling that there is a link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVxmAIKjYM4

Re: Red vs. Blue

[(Anonymous)]

The graph Martenson shows does not control for seasonality - it shows total deaths (the graph does not state they are excess deaths) for 60+ peaking in the coldest part of winter (NZ is southern hemisphere) - and so the relationship with the vax may not be as strong as shown . Unfortunately the vaccine uptake seems to have correlated with the seasons. The peak also coincides with the period between lockdowns (lockdown in March then mostly open until late August). Personally I think there is some causality - but I don't think that analysis helps any more than the govt response.
For the record, I had an adverse reaction and subsequent blood tests showed heightened blood clotting risk. I have had plenty of blood tests in recent years looking for cardio-thoracic issues (for another reason) and they never showed up anything, which suggests to me that it was caused by the vax.