Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 24

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a very high number of comments, so I'm opening yet another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, as more and more vaccinated people call in sick with the disease the vaccine was supposed to keep them from getting, and the euphemism "died suddenly" sounds like a repeated drumbeat in the media, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

"Covid and the vaccines are more about having the right politics than health, safety, keeping people out of hospitals, etc etc. People are fighting back agains the wrong thing. The managerial class now has a new way to measure who their true followers are and they are going to keep using it."

This is absolutely true.

If it weren't true, then natural immunity would count for something - but it doesn't. Because it's not about health.

And then there's this -

A place where I used to work part-time, and am now down to limited free-lance as I transition out completely, has a vaccinate-or-test policy.

I happen to know who else is using the test option because I was privy to that info. The vast majority are vaxxed; a few people have official medical reasons and are using the testing option, and one person has a strong philosophical objection, and has also already had covid. (As for me, I kind of slid under the radar; I initially told them that I had "concerns" about the covid vax "due to a vaccine reaction in the past" - technically true, in the most stretched sense of the word "true" - but that I "hadn't yet spoken to my doctor" (true), so they told me just to use the test option until it got sorted out with my doctor. Then I went from part-time to freelance and started transitioning out, and the whole thing sort of got dropped for me, since I'm on site so little, and I just bring a negative test in case they ask for it. Pretty soon I won't be there at all.)

Anyway, the rest of the employees know that some number of people have medical exemptions (but not who), and that one person made a stink - and they know who that one person is.

Who do you think they're afraid of?

There was a meeting with a bunch of grousing about how "unsettling" it was to be around so-and-so, who "won't get vaccinated even though she can!", and someone asked "are we sure she's getting tested?!" Mind you, they ALSO knew that this person had already had covid. And also know that any one of the people in the room might be one of those with a medical exemption.

They have no concern about the medical-exemption people hiding among them. Just the philosophical-exemption person who is not only getting tested, but who ALSO has natural immunity.

There is absolutely no health or safety logic to this. It's some kind of bizarre in-group political loyalty test.

And these people are in my experience typical of the mindset of the PMC.

[queenjane]

Wow, that really does say a lot. There has been so much noise made about getting vaxxed to "protect others," which I'm sure was a sincere motive for some, but there's just as much self-protection, just as much policing the borders of the compliant in-group, looking for heretics to burn. There's this undisguised lust to punish the disobedient, and it's based again on propping up one's self-image rooted in group identity more than it's about serving the greater good. They're telling themselves otherwise, I'm sure. But there is zero self-examination taking place here, no moment of reflection, no sense of "what if I'm wrong?" It reminds me so much of my experiences growing up in a fundamentalist church. The people who think they're so above "religious superstition" are completely in its grip.