ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 6

The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a gargantuan (and increasing) number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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I am on a (anonymous) discussion forum for people in the same career as me. It's totally PMC dominated (myself included), but unusually it is *not* an echo chamber about COVID.

There's almost equal contingents who are very pro-vax and pro-mandates and pro-lockdowns and the opposing contingent (myself included) who are much more in line with the average opinion in these discussions (although you won't find the level of medical detail in the discussion here or discussion of any occult/demonic causes).

There have been ongoing discussions over the last 1.5 years and everyone's positions have hardened.

I just want to report that there is absolutely no softening in the pro-lockdown crowd's views, and on the contrary they think the vaccines are amazing and have done their job and it's perfectly understandable that the efficacy is dropping and there's nothing wrong with having a booster every 6 months, and that (in all seriousness) they think there should be higher taxes on the unvaccinated to fund the (presumed) extra medical care we require and I was taken to task for being selfish and not caring about my fellow humans for not being vaccinated. They are strongly supportive of vaccine mandates and vaccine passports and feel any new restrictions are entirely the fault of the unvaccinated.

(Not from my group but Nassim Taleb of all people - who wrote so well about unforeseen consequences and the importance of skin in the game and black swans - has become a real COVID zealot - he is in support of higher taxes/costs for the unvaccinated and when someone pointed out the smoking example, he literally posted on Twitter that "Anti-vaxxers can choose to get the vaccine, but smokers' condition is not in their control" - quite a few tweets replying to him were along the lines of "did you seriously just write that?" - he also picked a fight with Edward Snowden and called him a fraud on Twitter, which is just bizarre, because whether you approve or disapprove of Snowden, he is by definition someone who has skin in the game and literally threw away his life and risked a lifetime of jail - and got a lifetime of exile - for his principles, which is what Taleb is all about - skin in the game).

Basically every PMC cliche is alive and well and the conviction of those that believe in it is completely unshaken (the best you can hope for is that they will fall silent which sometimes happens when things like Fauci's mask flip flopping is pointed out). But I'd get laughed at if I said anything about ADE - they are completely convinced that the vaccines work etc. Long way to go before people like that change their minds.

One of the people I've been most disappointed in during the vaccine phase of Covid is Taleb. The other is Claire Lehman. Both feel that the means justify the ends in terms of 100% vaccination rate. In Taleb's case he was outspoken about GMO's for years because of the unknown 2nd and 3rd order effects, but for vaccines he just blocks everyone who brings it up.

It's somewhat ironic that the population who was so opposed to GMO's did not mind becoming one themselves.

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I can't make sense of what happened with Taleb. How do you so suddenly embrace the kinds of thinking you made a career out of tearing apart?

I very much enjoyed reading his exchange with Snowden on Twitter. Normally Taleb’s MO (even when he is correct about something) is to be aggressive and abusive on Twitter to anyone who disagrees with him and sic his large Twitter following on them and/or block them. But Snowden is one of the few people he argues with who is more famous than Taleb, has an even larger Twitter following who can fire back and has been intimidated and attacked by (literally) the most powerful people in the world and can fire back better than Taleb.

Incidentally Taleb may be going through some kind of midlife crisis - he also completely changed his mind on Bitcoin recently and is now calling it a scam when he used to be a strong supporter. This is not so much about whether he is right or wrong about Bitcoin - what is more interesting to me is the complete 180 degree turn in the absence of new information and why it happened.

Wasn't Taleb the black swan chap?

Upsettingly Ironic that he may not have seen the greatest black swan in human history. Let's hope that's not the case.

Is of poetic justice when offspring takes by surprize the father. Think Chronos and Zeus.

He claims it could be expected and thus by definition wasn't a black swan.

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