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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2021-09-14 11:38 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 6

support groupThe semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a gargantuan (and increasing) number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 
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Life sounds harder if you're vaccinated

[personal profile] tunesmyth 2021-09-14 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm hearing stories from vaccinated friends where the very fact of having been vaccinated is causing them hassles.

I'm in Japan. My job takes me into different classrooms in English language schools around the Osaka-Kyoto region.

In one classroom I went to last week, a teacher in the class shared an interesting experience with me. She had received her second dose of one of the potion shots recently, and she came down with a heavily symptomatic case of what she was sure was Covid-- the symptoms all matched up. She went to the hospital with a high fever, but she couldn't get a PCR test because, they told her, PCR tests give false positives to vaccine recipients for at least three months. (Yes, yes, I know, they give false positives anyway. Just reporting here.)

Well, three days later, her fever subsided, but she was still feeling terrible and vomiting and having no sense of taste or smell. She went back to the hospital, and they advised her that since she had no fever, as soon as she stopped throwing up she could go back to work. I guess because, since she had been vaccinated, then whatever it was theoretically wasn't COVID? I don't know, it's pretty weird. She felt terrible, and was still otherwise symptomatic, so she took the next two weeks off until she felt better... but because there was no official diagnosis of Covid, she isn't able to apply for government assistance for the time off due to Covid.

All I can imagine is that the City of Osaka is running out of funds to pay people to take time off from work (our workplace instructs their PCR-positive workers to take "unpaid holidays" off of work, and apply to the government for the missed pay).

Has anyone heard of this kind of this going on elsewhere, or is this a local problem?

Meanwhile, Japan is requiring negative PCR tests for air travel, regardless of vaccine status. So, if it's for going back to work, PCR tests don't count if you've been vaccinated, even if you're still symptomatically sick. But PCR tests are still required to fly in Japan, even if having been vaccinated affects your PCR test. It's all rather schizophrenic. But I guess that's par for the course everywhere right now.

This actually affected a French friend of mine who flew back to Paris for a family trip. Japan suddenly changed the entry requirements on him while he was away, including adding in the PCR requirement (even though he has a vaccine passport). So he missed his flight, and he wasn't able to reserve another until November 1-- so I guess he's not the only one who ran into this problem! Anyway, what's particularly interesting to me is that-- even though he's vaccinated, and even if his PCR test shows negative-- Japan will be requiring him to quarantine in an assigned hotel for 3 days on arrival AND still require 14 days of quarantine at home on top of that.

Why are people getting this vaccine again??
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Re: Life sounds harder if you're vaccinated

[personal profile] open_space 2021-09-14 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a physicist friend who is very smart in raw mental power but not much outside of that areas that went overboard into the whole vaccine thing and knew everything about it in favor of it. We argued somewhat peacefully for weeks, exchanging links, papers and arguments for and against the vaccine. Suddenly, for the past 3 weeks, he has been very quiet and I have seen the same for many other people.

As you pointed out, there never was a good reason to get the vaccine but the narrative was stiff and fueled by fear and because they thought it was the holy grail, now thats been changing and it's cracking bit by bit... And since what you mention is also a mayor throwback I hope that will help things change. How was the Gandhi saying that JMG has cited a few times? First the ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. I think the fighting back is not as strong as it was a few weeks ago...
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Re: Life sounds harder if you're vaccinated

[personal profile] tunesmyth 2021-09-14 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
“Suddenly, for the past 3 weeks, he has been very quiet and I have seen the same for many other people.”

That’s a very positive sounding sign.


Has anyone else witnessed, or heard first hand accounts, of people not getting diagnosed with Covid simply because they were semi-recently vaccinated?
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Re: Life sounds harder if you're vaccinated

[personal profile] stcathalexandria 2021-09-14 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
So far two colleges - Brown University and Connecticut College - are in full lock-down with students in dorms. 95-98% vaccinated and they won't let them do any activities and want them to eat in their rooms. They are all wearing masks all the time. What was the point of vaccinating everyone if there is a total freak out over positive Covid tests but the tester has no Covid symptoms (fever, cough, etc)?

Edited to add link to Brown University temporary restrictions https://healthy.brown.edu/updates/brown-community-new-temporary-covid-19-restrictions

Now testing all students every four days. That will route out the sinners who obviously have disobeyed in some way!!!
Edited (add link to Brown University ) 2021-09-14 22:40 (UTC)

Re: Life sounds harder if you're vaccinated

(Anonymous) 2021-09-16 07:21 am (UTC)(link)
Why anybody would pay outrageous sums of money to subjected to those conditions is beyond me. If I were a college student today, I would ask for a leave of absence.