Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

[stcathalexandria]

In the never ending cruelty that is the Covid regime, workers that are refusing to be vaccinated are being put on unpaid leave. Apparently they don't even have to agree to it, the employers can do it without the worker's consent. The employees can not collect unemployment because they were not fired. Of course they can quit their job and hope to find another employer that doesn't require them, but for healthcare and airlines, all of them fall under the 100 employee mandate.

And then in the absurdity that is our government at every level, NYC teachers are not required to be vaccinated, but the NYC police and firefighters are. Now showing vaccine proof is mandatory across NYC, so are the teacher's just allowed to show their teacher ID and be waived through restaurants and museums? Or do they get a special "vaccine exempt" card?

At this point everything being enacted is just done to humiliate and anger people. None of it is about health, preserving lives, or (my least favorite phrase) keeping people safe.

I feel fortunate that my immediate area is unaffected so far - can shop without a mask, no vaccination restrictions - but at any day so bureaucrat with the blessing of the governor or president can enact a policy to ruin my life. I talk with more and more people that are suffering depression, anxiety, and just drinking more. I just want to shut myself off from everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

Good evening!

No argument at all with your exasperation at the whole thing. I work in NYC schools though; we are absolutely being mandated.

The scenario at the moment, for anyone interested: They announced vaccine-or-weekly-testing in August, then the instant Pfizer was approved the mayor said nevermind, no testing option and no medical or religious exemptions.

Our (ridiculous) union did fight on the exemptions; it went to arbitration and last week it was ruled that accomodations will be considered for a short list of medical conditions. Religious exemptions are to be considered only for members of "recognized and established religious organizations" with a personal letter from a religious official (no sincerely held personal beliefs as federal law allows).

Any DOE employee who hasn't uploaded proof of vaccination or had an exemption approved by September 27 cannot come to work thereafter. According to the city there are 15,000 teachers, plus I don't know how many other school staff people, who haven't done so. The city says they have enough substitute teachers to replace us.

It has nothing to do with safety, of course, just whether or not you've obeyed. They pretend that only unvaccinated people can transmit the virus. The details of the policies are absurd. We have to fill out a little digital survey every morning before we enter, and when you get to the question about whether you're vaccinated, if you say yes, you're cleared, no further questions. So a teacher I work with was pretty sick with corona just a few days before we went back to work, but he's vaccinated, so he was right in there on on the first day. My wife has a co-worker who's husband is sick and tested positive tonight, but she's negative so far and she's vaccinated, so she'll be in school tomorrow. In both cases, had they not been vaccinated they wouldn't be allowed in.

So I, and a lot of others in the city, will be forbidden to work a few weeks from now, in addition to being already barred from restaurants, indoor events, taking my daughter to gymnastics, etc. Mayor says cops and firemen who don't get vaxxed or tested weekly won't get paid starting tomorrow. He says he's not "yet" considering mandating 12-year-olds like Los Angeles has, but the governor says she might. It's a pretty sorry spectacle. We're watching carefully and thinking through how our family is going to play this, though I expect things to keep changing day by day, one way or another. We'll see. I do know for sure that most of my students have had a difficult two years and will suffer further when they return to a short-staffed school, while some experienced teachers and counselors who want to be there are kept away.

J.

Not approved really

[(Anonymous)]

Look at Chris Martensen's video on peak prosperity about the smoke and mirrors approval which isn't.
Or Viva Barnes.
Viva aka David Freiheit is a YouTuber and former lawyer running for the PPC and Robert Barnes is a very, very smart lawyer.

[stcathalexandria]

Thank you for filling in the details of what was missing from the article I saw. The whole idea that vaccinated workers are going to work after close exposure to those sick with Covid proves again this is all public health theater. The vaccinated are carrying the virus around and spreading it.

Fwiw Philadelphia city schools required the vaccine for teachers over the summer, but the police and fireman are still exempt from requirements right now. Both those departments are already alarmingly understaffed so maybe that is why.

If its any comfort, I'm barred from my one daughter's college campus because I'm not vaccinated. The other daughter so far I'm allowed on but I expect that to change. Other than that in rural PA we are living like its 2019.

[troyjonesiii]

I assume the teachers are exempt because of unions. Post office workers are exempt too because they are unionized. Police are unionized too, but I guess the NYC police union must have agreed to the mandate.

That raises the question of what will happen with private businesses with more than 100 employees who are unionized. Such employers can't unilaterally require what Biden is mandating them to require without the union's consent.

[(Anonymous)]

Police union in NYC is not on board. The city is just imposing mandates and then
taking on the unions if and when they push back.

The NYPD is only 53% vaccinated. They have a weekly testing option, so the dispute now is over who pays and whether the time spent getting tested is paid or not.

That said, I think you're right that people in union jobs have more ability to push back at the moment. Other workers would have to hire a lawyer.

J.

[(Anonymous)]

Hiring a lawyer (money/cost/hassle aside) won't really help that much because you still have only one employee's bargaining power vs the hundreds/thousands represented by a union.

Now if you hire a lawyer and threaten a credible class action suit or convince 200 people from your workplace (depends on the company) to sign up as clients of the lawyer, then you may see some movement..