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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

The semi-open posts I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Yeah i saw that thx to you. So they ran headlines here about 30x more likely to go to the icu if unvaxxd and I wondered why not just say die or talk about mortality. But they were being truthful so they left out the part about 2x liklier to die. Celadon

Spirit Sans Personality

Last week, early in Covid Post 4 Gawain said:

We lost my mother last Monday. She had taken the moderna product about 5 months earlier. Sparing the details, I was able to commune with Mom after she slipped into coma on Saturday. Her spirit, sans personality, clearly and powerfully conveyed great love, contentment and joy. There is much that I will probably write about those hours but for now I wanted to share my understanding that there do not appear to be any negative spiritual consequences to taking the moderna jab.

The next day, Anonymous commented:
OP: I'll echo everyone with feeling sorry for your loss, and I can only imagine how rewarding it is to meet your mother's individuality sans personality. As someone with their own family baggage (aka human lol,) I would cherish this opportunity with my own mother.

You might be interested in C.S. Lewis’s description of a somewhat similar experience. He married late in life. When his wife died, from cancer, he described his reactions in four small notebooks. After his death they were published, under a pseudonym, as “A Grief Observed.”

In his notes Lewis records many moods and questions. “Tonight all the hells of young grief have opened again,” he writes. “The mad words, the bitter resentment, the fluttering in the stomach, the nightmare unreality, the wallowed-in tears. For in grief nothing ‘stays put.’ Am I going in circles, or dare I hope I am on a spiral?

Towards the end he writes, “I said several notebooks ago that even if I got what seemed like an assurance of H’s presence I wouldn’t believe it. Easier said than done. Even now, though, I won’t read anything of that sort as evidence. It’s the quality of last night’s experience – not what it proves but what it was – that makes it worth putting down. It was quite incredibly unemotional. Just the impression of her mind momentarily facing my own. Mind, not soul as we tend to think of soul. Certainly the reverse of what is called soulful. Not at all like a rapturous reunion of lovers. Much more like getting a telephone call or a wire from her about some practical arrangement. Not that there was any message – just intelligence and attention. No sense of joy or sorrow. No love, even, in our ordinary sense. No un-love. I had never in any mood imagined the dead as being so – well, so businesslike. Yet there was an extreme and cheerful intimacy. An intimacy that had not passed through the senses or the emotions at all....

“A Greek philosopher wouldn’t have been surprised at an experience like mine. He would have expected that if anything of us remained after death it would be just that.... [In this contact] the intimacy was complete....I’m almost scared at the adjectives I’d have to use. Brisk? Cheerful? Keen? Alert? Intense? Wide-awake? Above all, solid. Utterly reliable. Firm. There is no nonsense about the dead.”

I too feel like I have heard about an awfully large number of heart attacks and strokes since last spring.

This past weekend, I started thinking about the book The Forest Passage, by Ernst Junger. He wrote it while dealing with the Russian occupation of East Germany, I believe, and it may be of interest to the folks who are commenting here.

Off the top of my head, Junger discusses:
*The role of dissent in a society that enforces consent
*The untrustworthiness of the medical establishment, and its use as a tool of the authoritarian state
*The necessity of home defense
*How there are sources of inexhaustible spiritual power in the landscape
*The necessity of cultivating a sense of one's innate immortality, when one is faced with a no-win situation such as living under the Stalinist regime.

-Cliff

I've been getting the dread feeling too. Banishing and prayer make me feel a little better but in no way get rid of it. I've never had this sort of feeling before.

My medical provider Nifty Healthcare Network (not their real name) sent out an email bulletin on August 11 saying the State had mandated that by Sept 30, all healthcare workers in the state would be either vaccinated, or "those with medical or religious exemptions will be tested twice weekly." In other words, not a lot of wiggle room for my favorites doctors and nurses. "We will comply with the mandate," said the email.

Then on Sept 3 I get another email bulletin from Nifty Healthcare Network that "the recent COVID-19 surge is impacting our staffing levels" and "these challenges are requiring us to temporarily consolidate some services and locations." As in, they are short-staffed and closing some offices and labs for the time being.

Hmmm.
Still praying for the welfare of my favorite doctors and nurses.

- Cicada Grove

Two jobs and a career gone in a few weeks. All but three of my work friends have become little more than irritated acquaintances the last couple of months. Out of a few friends and some secondary acquaintances all but 3 of us are refusing the shot to the end. I've been told to take the shot or be terminated by email from both jobs. I've applied for exemptions by email with both jobs. I've been refused exemptions by email by both jobs. I've had request for appeal by email ignored. Today I worked at MGH arriving 40 minutes early at 6:20am expecting to sit and have a cup of coffee before starting at 7am. As I walked in I was asked by the oncoming day supervisor if I could punch in and cover an ECMO patient that the night supervisor was covering because we were short staffed again. I did that without hesitation for my coworkers who needed me. I carried 2 pagers from the person who braked me during a short lunch break. I stayed about a 1/2 hour late today getting out at 7:50pm tonight which is not unusual. They begged me to work an overtime shift tomorrow which I turned down as I am working a second job later in the week. I have done this my whole career, starting early and staying late. Working through lunch or carrying pagers and phones. Working 2 jobs and overtime. Working 20 hours transport babys by air or ground from out of state. The turnover and discontent in this business is unbelievable. The treatment of people who have spent their lives swimming in blood, crap, and gore without totally losing their sh_t is unbelievable. These last few weeks with poison ivy burns and emails, emails, notifying me my career is over and all subsequent interactions by email is an unbelievable experience.

I don't have facebook, twitter, or anything else. My linkedin page was only in case I ever needed another job. I only posted on 1 other forum, The Daily Reckoning, 20 years ago and quit when everyone started fighting and calling each other Nazi's after a few post.

John, you made a comment or I read from someone else here that we, or non-physical entities, still feel like it applies to me/us, must be able to suffer and tolerate the burning off of our fossilized husk, our ego opinion of ourselves, before we can move on and/or grow to a new self. I'm picturing a chrysalis now. Maybe a salamander in a fire?

Sorry if this is corny or trite. I think I feel more than I think? I thank you John for a place where I've been able to talk, process, and vent in a way that I can't to those around me. I thank you for a place that is helping me find a new way to move forward in this life with your post and suggestive links. I thank MDs like Lunar Apprentice and John Day and a nurse friend of mine in her early 50s with a son in high school and a mortgage who have all stood strong against the shot and its coercions, and have helped me find strength in their examples. I feel grateful for this opportunity to take a stand in my life for something that is literally screaming for and at me to do this. To be in the company of the wonderful people that I have brought to share post on this website.

I've been looking back at old post on this website and I didn't realize how much I've missed in the last year and a half with my crazy covid workload. I realize what a transitional period this is for all of us - I can't emphasize that enough. This is a period of choice. An awesome opportunity to exercise one's will. A point of divergence for each of us for all of eternity. A period of immense pressure. God's will? Or do the times always seem unique and significant? Remember "duck and cover" in grade school? I do.

I'm feeling drawn to Christian mysticism and nature mysticism. I feel a desire to practice and preserve Western tradition. I feel familiar with the middle pillar practice through Eastern traditions. I get emotional when I read Christian mystics in a way that I don't with Eastern. I'm thinking I might be able to keep up with OSA and catch up with Levi/tarot with this tumultuous work period ending soon.

Thank you John. Thank you very much for this space and your time. It is sincerely and deeply appreciated. Den

I will add my recommendation. Reading it, I began to get furious at how American society has sold itself out to a devil of its own creation.

My only quibble is, Mander sits within that bizarre intellectual tradition that shows up every so often, which insists that ancient cultures cannot have possibly been polytheistic. Specifically, he claims that all of the statues of Greek gods and so on were not actually depicting gods, but crafted to create certain qualities of consciousness within the viewer via their beauty.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

-Cliff

Oh, I assure, there are still people who care about the vaccines.

Most of the upper-middle class liberals I come into contact with are still very much obsessed with them. Talking about theirs and wailing about the people who won't get them. I just had a have-I-died-and-gone-to-hell? conversation the other day with a group of pod people who talked about, among other things, how they "took the chance" of getting together with extended family this summer, after everyone was vaccinated and submitted a negative covid test; the logistics of getting covid tests for teens so that they can hang out together (all the teens are vaccinated, of course); still wearing masks in all public places (one of them talked about how she is still doing that, she tried going maskless briefly in June but the situation is still just too scary!); and the horror at how there are people who "don't believe in the vaccine" at work and it's just terrifying (the person who is terrified of her unvaxxed coworkers is not only vaccinated, but she and her family already had covid and all recovered at home without incident). Oh, and they had a discussion about which types of covid tests were the most reliable in asymptomatic people. This wasn't even last year. This was last week.

You cannot make this stuff up.

Remember, these are the professional, educated members of society - they're the ones who manage things and make decisions. And my first-hand experience is that they have gone utterly insane. The lunatics are running the place.

PS. I really do think things are going very well:)

Thanks for the data point. Is this the same test that's being replaced at the end of this year?

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

It's been pretty apparent to me that "the numbers" have been manipulated early and often. And along with the incentive for hospitals to receive at least a 20% add-on for each Covid-19 case and much more for the use of a ventilator, it seems pretty obvious that getting accurate data points is difficult.

Sort of like vaccinating control group members in clinical trials...

Yes indeed all everyone would have to do to end this nonsense is pick up their television and throw it out the window JMG style, then walk outside. It really is humorous. I'm lucky enough to be a farmer, and from what I've seen from other farmers no one has really being paying much attention out here. We engage in a relationship with nature every day, although some of my ilk treat it the same as the PTB treat covid: bombing it with all sorts of toxins and high tech destruction. Agriculture was the last thing to be industrialised and it has been the biggest failure, not in terms of gross yield, but in terms of destruction of environmental and human health. The vaccines of the same wrong think when it comes to living things. They do not respond like machines.

Well, yes, the modern schooling system didn't exist for millennia. But modern society also didn't exist for those millennia either.

The world we live in now is this one. In this particular society we're living in now, a lot of kids don't really have a better alternative than school. All the adults work and nobody is around to homeschool (and that isn't going to change just because you think it should). The covid measures may have resulted in a growth in homeschooling, but the majority of kids still aren't going to get pulled out and homeschooled; they'll just be left in school, and be even more emotionally damaged by the masking and social distancing.

Hi All:

I am in Toronto and this afternoon my kid was served a letter by his employer that basically says he must be vaccinated by October 31st (first shot by October 1st and second dose booked by October 31st) or lose his employment. They have indicated they "might" be able to find an alternate position but that would come with a pay cut. Needless to say, we are both devastated. It's not totally unexpected since Ontario announced the vaccine mandates for gyms, restaurants etc. but because they did not extend the mandates further, I felt that employers would think twice before taking these drastic steps. I am semi-disabled and on a limited income and we rely on his paycheck to make ends meet. I should add that he has no post-secondary education so finding another job is going to be a challenge. We also both have auto-immune disorder and I was hoping to be able to obtain a medical exemption.

1] Is anyone aware of support groups in Toronto for people affected by these job mandates? I could not find anything online.

2] Does anyone know of a doctor or clinic that is willing to do the necessary work to provide a medical exemption? Our own doctor is a total Kool-Aid drinker who insists that everyone must be vaccinated to bring an end to this pandemic. I know he will refuse. I'm in the process of trying to find another doctor but these days no one seems to want new patients.

Much thanks, Liam

This thread from "medical professionals" sets off my B.S. detector. Note, that's an opinion.

The comments often include the dubious "just get vaxxed" declaration, when the latest data is indicating many of the deaths are now people who've had The Jab(s). Many of the comments include triggers on emotions, and not just the facts. No mention of Ivermectin, and no explanation for the high death/disabled rate for the "more contagious but less lethal Delta variant".

I ain't buying it. It could be a compilation of edited entries (ie, deleting the successful recoveries) to increase the slant, because I find it hard to believe there aren't more survivors. Censorship and propaganda continue.

But realistically the payout plus cost to administer the program will be much more than 10,000 dollars. So it's hard to tell just yet.

Odd. I'm in Ontario up in Canada and also have an October 18th deadline. Hmm...

That's an interesting question. My couple divinations regarding covid were not too bad, though I did get a sense that it didn't seem to be right but that could just be my bias. I think all that we can do without some heavy magical lifting is just wait and see, be prepared and take divinations regarding covid more lightly. Me personally I've prayed a lot more and I think it's helping. I've heard mentioned here on the journal before that doing them on a banished space might help so that would be worth trying as an experiment, I've certainly done it.

This brings up the interesting point of "enforcement". I remember this post by Charles, and he's been right so far - outside of a strict security check, it'll be difficult to enforce this. And so far the Biden administration is imploring the private sector to do this, since we know "rule of law" is not what it used to be.

On Thursday the President will address the nation on "new" strategies to combat the pandemic, and they are hinting at schools and government environments for changes - since .gov already has the upper hand there. I'm sure the word "please" will be used often.

Considering what a debacle the Real ID program turned into, which simply requires more proof of actual citizenship to obtain government issued ID cards, it doesn't look good. I find it difficult to believe .gov can implement vaccine passports that stay current with boosters which are not fraught with errors and easy to forge.

I really hate to be the bearer of bad news, but our provincial government is utterly insane, and this will make finding a job a lot harder. I work in HR in one of the hydro companies and we discussed vaccine mandates, and decided against it: too much of our workforce would quit. I've heard from others that it's the same: powerline techs won't be taking the shots, and we can't afford to have even a small fraction of them quit.

I have received notice from the province we need to implement a policy of mandatory vaccinations for our workers by October 1. Colleges and universities got hit with the same thing just a few weeks ago; and the government is implementing a lot more.

So I'm going to suggest you be prepared for the process of finding a new job to be very difficult. I wish I had better advice, but sadly I'm increasingly at a loss myself....

Yeah, I also found that part breathtakingly strange. There were a few other places where I found his arguments a little odd, but I still think he did a much better job of pointing out the problems inherent to television than anyone else has.

Well done. Music is a source of spiritual healing. Keep going wherever it brings you!

"Vaccine economy". Just like the old economy only with 20-30% less revenue.

That's the case fatality rate for COVID - deaths divided by the number of known cases. The actual infection fatality rate is down around 0.5% or lower, since many infections are asymptomatic or just not officially confirmed if folks don't get tested.

But whatever the COVID death rate actually is, it's still far higher than even the highest estimates of vaccine deaths to date. If the actual number of vaccine deaths in the US is in the range of 50,000, that's still only 0.03% of the ~150 million people vaccinated.

Assuming $10,000 payout per person, $75 million would cover death expenses for 7500 people, which is actually a reasonable estimate given US VAERS numbers and is nowhere near 2% of the Canadian population (which would be 750,000 people).

Mark L

It seems to me that all the questions will be answered in time but I'm left with one...

Have we hit peak crazy yet?
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-aclu-prior-to-covid-denounced

Behold them rushing to the treacherous altar to debase themselves and lick the boot.

"[W]hen it comes to Covid-19, all considerations point in the same direction. . . . In fact, far from compromising civil liberties, vaccine mandates actually further civil liberties. . . . . " - ACLU

Even Orwell would be disgusted.

-anon

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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis

Spirit Sans Personality

Re: more data points

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Wheels Keep Turning...

Re: Unplugging from media

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Re: PCR cycles

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Re: Forbes article on the effects of Covid restrictions on schoolchildren.

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And who do we believe?

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Re: Demonic Influences on COVID vaccine divinations.

Re: 3 "G"s in Austria (and some other areas in Europe)

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Are we there yet