Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis

[(Anonymous)]

Certainly.

Mark L

[ecosophia]

For many years now I've had a sense that there was going to be a situation coming up in which some inadequately tested product was going to be pushed on consumers and cause mass death. That was what inspired the scene in Retrotopia. I don't know that it was a matter of tapping into the future -- rather, it follows logically that if you've got criminally inadequate testing plus an executive culture that shields the privileged from the consequences of failure plus ever more baroque, pervasive, and dangerous technologies, sooner or later you're going to roll the dice and get snake eyes.

[(Anonymous)]

I was more thinking your fear it would happen April 29...

[(Anonymous)]

I'm glad somebody read that :-)

Yes, we very much need a Coalition of the Unafraid these days...

Mark L

[(Anonymous)]

Even if it doesn't change us biologically, for at least a generation our culture would be totally and completely altered in ways we can't even begin to imagine...

[(Anonymous)]

Hurrah for the rally! I hope it goes well.

Some say the pandemonium was rolled out to cover the economic downturn that what already coming. Whether that is true or not, telling millions of people to stay home and not work can only spell disaster for the economy. How long did anybody think that could last?

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly I'm surprised we haven't had that sort of crisis already...

Re: Horrifying

[robertmathiesen]

Anonymous wrote:

"The Republic died sometime between the Great Depression and the end of WW2."

That's my sense of our history, too. For me, though, it wasn't JFK's assassination in 1963 that marked the end of the Republic, but how Eisenhower had finished up his presidency two years earlier (in 1961).

All earlier presidents had simply left the White House with their spouses and children, and gone back to their private homes without any escort or need for further protection by the secret service. Once they became private citizens again, they were supposed to have no need for further protection.

In other words, the office, not the office holder, was what everyone paid attention to back thern. Now it is the office holder, not the office, that seems to matter most to the citizenry. That's an enormous change, and it is slowly killing the Republic.

[sdi]

On the topic of numerological synchronicities in these threads, your comment on rolling snake eyes happens to be comment number 1001 (that is to say, snake eyes...).

[(Anonymous)]

It's also pretty much guaranteed to happen in a world where faith in the goodness of technological Progress devalues considerations of long-term and/or unanticipated harms. In a sense we're lucky that CFCs don't last 10,000 years and the ozone damage could repair itself on human timescales, and that elevated CO2 levels aren't directly toxic to humans as they are to sea life suffering from ocean acidification.

If an overconfidence in Progress is finally going to bite hard and put an overdue end to the world domination of that particular civil religion, there is at least some sense of karmic justice in having it happen in a way that hurts the true believers more than the nonbelievers.

Re: Minor Hockey League making vaccines Mandatory in Ontario

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for this information. I can use it as further evidence of concern if I get a dialogue going with the minor hockey governing body. Both males and females play hockey in this league.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, at least it wouldn't be April 29, 2024. That would be truly freaky...

Civil disobedience OZ style

[(Anonymous)]

Sydney eastern beaches this past weekend:

https://twitter.com/RealMarkLatham/status/1436534786747555840?s=20

Mind you, the deplorables in Western Sydney are still locked into their tower blocks.

[michaeliangray]

About a week or two back I said on the other blog that lockdowns can work but they can be considered a very blunt and damaging instrument to get results. It has worked 5 times where I live.

Please allow me to say that they HAVE worked, now they are not.

We are now in lockdown 6, have the hardest rules yet (Face Masks, 5Km travel limit, 2 hours out of the house for exercise, curfew times etc) and it doesn't seem to be working any more. Looks like it was a blunt weapon that even a virus can work its way around.

If something no longer works, maybe it is time to stop doing it all together.

[(Anonymous)]

It wasn’t designed to prevent infection because it’s essentially an impossibility with respect to coronaviruses, at least with current technology or the general approach to vaccination. That means it was known these “vaccines” were not sterilizing and it’s been a long established and well-regarded principle in immunology that you don’t mass inoculate with a non-sterilizing vaccine during an ongoing pandemic. And they went ahead and did it knowing the masses wouldn’t understand any of this and would equate these vaccines with ones they got as a kid. In the least, utter hubris, but possibly much worse.

Re: Horrifying

[yuccaglauca]

Bruh,

A job's never that important. Sorry to disagree with "the Universe" and all that, but seriously. Or maybe it really is that important--that important that you take a few months off while things get crazy so that there are people with experience left to rebuild whatever your field is once the mandates go away.

>>there probably wouldn't be any other for me
>>I'm not strong enough
>>destitute and homeless
>>I accept being pretty much alone and marginal in my place in the world

Your attitude sucks. Will JMG count that as a personal attack and not put this through? If it doesn't get posted, then too bad. If it does, then listen up: You're capable of a heck of a lot more than you're giving yourself credit for. If you're right about the importance of your job, then that's all the more reason to not blunt your potential so that you can truly fulfill that position with all the ability the Divine will give you. And if not, then maybe this is just a great way to pop out of a self-limiting rut.

I'm speaking up because this is the same kind of shale that I used to frack, and it doesn't lead anywhere good. This thread's main topic aside, consider working with some good instructions in the science of living before you decide to dry up and blow away. Those instructions certainly made a difference in my life.

[(Anonymous)]

Good evening!

No argument at all with your exasperation at the whole thing. I work in NYC schools though; we are absolutely being mandated.

The scenario at the moment, for anyone interested: They announced vaccine-or-weekly-testing in August, then the instant Pfizer was approved the mayor said nevermind, no testing option and no medical or religious exemptions.

Our (ridiculous) union did fight on the exemptions; it went to arbitration and last week it was ruled that accomodations will be considered for a short list of medical conditions. Religious exemptions are to be considered only for members of "recognized and established religious organizations" with a personal letter from a religious official (no sincerely held personal beliefs as federal law allows).

Any DOE employee who hasn't uploaded proof of vaccination or had an exemption approved by September 27 cannot come to work thereafter. According to the city there are 15,000 teachers, plus I don't know how many other school staff people, who haven't done so. The city says they have enough substitute teachers to replace us.

It has nothing to do with safety, of course, just whether or not you've obeyed. They pretend that only unvaccinated people can transmit the virus. The details of the policies are absurd. We have to fill out a little digital survey every morning before we enter, and when you get to the question about whether you're vaccinated, if you say yes, you're cleared, no further questions. So a teacher I work with was pretty sick with corona just a few days before we went back to work, but he's vaccinated, so he was right in there on on the first day. My wife has a co-worker who's husband is sick and tested positive tonight, but she's negative so far and she's vaccinated, so she'll be in school tomorrow. In both cases, had they not been vaccinated they wouldn't be allowed in.

So I, and a lot of others in the city, will be forbidden to work a few weeks from now, in addition to being already barred from restaurants, indoor events, taking my daughter to gymnastics, etc. Mayor says cops and firemen who don't get vaxxed or tested weekly won't get paid starting tomorrow. He says he's not "yet" considering mandating 12-year-olds like Los Angeles has, but the governor says she might. It's a pretty sorry spectacle. We're watching carefully and thinking through how our family is going to play this, though I expect things to keep changing day by day, one way or another. We'll see. I do know for sure that most of my students have had a difficult two years and will suffer further when they return to a short-staffed school, while some experienced teachers and counselors who want to be there are kept away.

J.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I experienced something like that, but I really do think it had the opposite effect on me. It got me "going back to church again" (metaphorically speaking), I would say. --Mr. Nobody

[(Anonymous)]

How were the masses supposed to know they weren't when the entire political establishment was claiming these were sterilizing to start?

[ecosophia]

And slam-dunked in the last few hours. Please, folks, consider hosting more intelligently moderated venues for conversation!

[troyjonesiii]

I assume the teachers are exempt because of unions. Post office workers are exempt too because they are unionized. Police are unionized too, but I guess the NYC police union must have agreed to the mandate.

That raises the question of what will happen with private businesses with more than 100 employees who are unionized. Such employers can't unilaterally require what Biden is mandating them to require without the union's consent.

Re: Dark Humour -- or the Truth???

[(Anonymous)]

My apologies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at6d8TFxRus


Ron M

[emilyknapstad]

Methyl no those people are perfectly able to function in their communities and build safety networks they aren't antisocial therefore they are able to resist.However they are nightmare to manipulate and coerce for the same reasons above . The people with antisocial behavior have been stabbed among the first they are the charges of the prison system and forster care system usually in both systems they have disproportionate amount of people who can't function in normal and healthy community. So does the mentally ill and the addicted via various " the good people tm" organizations. The sociopaths probably did it too to keep their power and jobs they worked so hard to get.

Somebody here mentioned something like 30 per cent of the people are hypnotized and another 40 go along because path of lesser resistance. Now imagine those numbers halved. Thats any political lemming and talking head nightmare any wanna be petty tyrant nightmare. Apply those ratios to anything to office politics, church politics etc. The corn must flow and the popcorn are to be had .

Imagine Nazi Germany had 60 per cent of " i don't trust the government and i don't comply" instead of pitiful 20-30 per cent.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm in Mr. Nobody's boat. 2015 was a godawful year for me, just straight dog vomit, but it got me to take up magic and start going to therapy.
-Cliff

[(Anonymous)]

I do QA for a living and so wanted to chime in here as I'm very sensitive about that seemingly innocuous word "works". Even in small engineering teams, defining what it means for something to "work" and then proving that it does is a complex activity and requires involves several categories of professionals. "Works" means "does what we want" and also "doesn't do what we don't want". The problem is that many of those definitions are unstated and can change imperceptibly over time.

Assuming you are in the world's most lockdownable city of Melbourne, Australia, the definition of the what it means for the lockdowns to "work" has changed over time as follows:-

- lockdown 1: flatten the curve/protect the hospital system
- lockdown 2-5: get back to 0 cases so the state border can open and so nobody dies before the vaccine arrives
- lockdown 6: ostensibly to get back to 0, but really to terrorise the public into taking the vaccine

According to those definitions, the lockdowns have "worked". But "works" also means "doesn't do what we don't want". Here is a shortened list of just the worst of these:

- cause massive economic damage
- cause unnecessary deaths from other illness not including covid
- remove two years of social and educational development from an entire generation of children
- cause elderly people especially and all people in general not to be able to see their own families and friends with associated mental health issues
- significantly weaken the structures of law and democracy
- ruin Australia's international reputation with unknown consequences for tourism, higher education, diplomacy etc.

It's only by ignoring all these things that we can even pretend that the lockdowns "worked".