Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 5

[ecosophia]

The semi-open posts  I've hosted here on the Covid-19 narrative, the inadequately tested experimental drugs for it, and the whole cascading mess surrounding them have continued to field a huge number of comments, so I'm opening another space for discussion. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 

3. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Comments

Re: Horrifying

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU

Re: The Mandate

[(Anonymous)]

It may be that if a virus-enhanced infection effect turns up, legal challenges to the mandate from employers would gain strength. Even 10 % of the nurses being firm in declining would cripple any hospital if I understand it correctly as nursing numbers are one of the critical variables for each medical bed to function.

This table from a recent UK Vaccine surveillance report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf look at Table 4: image here https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-38QeIUcAM7qkY?format=jpg&name=small from this tweet https://mobile.twitter.com/arkmedic/status/1436081727709990914?s=20 , highlighting by arkmedic

Infection rates are now higher in the UK in every age group from 40 to 79 years of age amongst the *vaccinated* than amongst the unvaccinated. For me that is a sign that something has really started to go wrong. Perhaps it's an effect that unfolds over time as the younger groups who were later in the queue for their injections are not (yet?) showing the same effect, but who knows with such a novel medicine.

Re: A thought

[(Anonymous)]

I'm in Western Massachusetts. Interested in making the acquaintance of others nearby who find this blog a refuge.

*Ochre Harebrained Curmudgeon*

PHE bulletin 22

[bluemoose]

Public Health England bulletin 22 is out. Worth a look. Saw a link to it on TAE. Actually surprised there is not more chatter about it. Looks like the 3rd and final fictional reason to get vaxxed is starting to fall by the way side. In short, the number of deaths attributed to delta for vaxxed is starting to exceed non-vaxxed in both number and CFR. Last few sentences from TAE before 'read more...' is:

what does this mean in terms of the risk of death if infected with the Delta Covid-19 variant? Well it means the risk of death increases significantly in those who have been fully vaccinated. 536 deaths have occurred among 219,716 confirmed cases in the unvaccinated population since February. This is a case fatality rate of 0.2%. Whereas 1,091 deaths have occurred among 113,823 cases among the fully vaccinated population. This is a case fatality rate of 1%.

I downloaded the pdf from PHE and the data is there, hidden in plain sight. I wonder why the 'investigative' teams over at CNN and BBC are not all over this? (J/K).

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who viscerally experiences the bad spiritual energy of late, I can tell you that there has been precious little in the way of real surcease since Labor Day Weekend of the previous year. I really think that there is going to have to be some kind of "flashpoint" that happens at this point before there can be any mitigation of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I don't see how this doesn't end with metal falling out of the sky. All because Biden's patience is wearing thin.

[mitchell2]

Vaccine makers like Malone, Van den Bosch and Yeadon saw it coming. I'm sure they weren't the only three. They worked off some basic first principles and calculated the inevitability of immune escape, some form of ADE and so on. More specifically their core argument says appropriate dissemination should not be problematic.

Re: Horrifying

[(Anonymous)]

The Republic died sometime between the Great Depression and the end of WW2. JFK getting shot and nobody really being brought to task over it was only the point where it became obvious. Vietnam and the subsequent pointless wars should have surprised nobody. Although it did teach them that conscription is not an option anymore.

In any case, they've done their best to hide the fact from you for many decades, keeping up the ceremonies and appearances of the old Republic, but the rot under the facade is too great and now you are seeing what has been the case for a while now.

I guess like that old song says "We didn't start the fire" however, they didn't have to "throw some gas on and fan it higher".

[(Anonymous)]

I think the way they look at it is, those people already hate him anyway and nothing he does is going to make them love him. The big problem is it's very likely much more than 80 million, probably more like half the country. The rural half. The ornery half. That's way smarter than they sound.

MY guess is they're not thinking that far ahead. Like a corporation, they're focused only on next quarter and that's it. Basically, nobody is flying the plane.

When the die off really gets going (from what I can gather it's already underway), they're going to try to blame it on the unquaxxed for as long as they think they can get away with it. One way or another, expect everything to shut down for at least 6 months, I'd say.

[stcathalexandria]

In 2020 I participated in a virtual working group and the woman who ran it lost her mind mid-summer. If we coming to the group didn't recite the confessions of anti-racism regularly and support the rioting going on (Philadelphia near me went on for 7 nights sun down to sun up before they sent in the National Guard) we were terrible people who were to suffer and die. It was really a preview of the vaccine hatred.

Re: A thought

[stcathalexandria]

There are times that the remnant is spread out and times that it is gathered in one place in the Bible. Due to the internet we are doing both at the same time.

I have found kindred spirits in those areas of my community filled with working class people who never had access to the Kool aid. It's JMG's advice and experience again that what the PMC class describes as reality and their shrill voices don't match the life of everyday people.

[stcathalexandria]

The illegal immigrants themselves are not eligible but their U.S. born children are. Same with all welfare benefits managed by states.

[(Anonymous)]

MODERATOR!

Please review my post below carefully and remove it if, in your judgement, you find it not appropriate for this forum.
In no way I’m admirer nor I want this blog to be associated with the movement this person represented.

I found the quotes below particularly relevant today, like the author became mentor to some of our politicians.
You can easily find who he was by copying one of the quotes to your favourite search engine. The second last is well known. The last one, at least to me, is the most scary.

Are we heading in the same direction? For you to judge.

Wandy

“Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred.”

“The masses need something that will give them a thrill of horror.”

“Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will.”

“It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion.”

“Not every item of news should be published. Rather must those who control news policies endeavor to make every item of news serve a certain purpose.”

“It is not propaganda’s task to be intelligent, its task is to lead to success.”

“This is the secret of propaganda: Those who are to be persuaded by it should be completely immersed in the ideas of the propaganda, without ever noticing that they are being immersed in it.”

“If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.”

“If the day should ever come when we must go, if some day we are compelled to leave the scene of history, we will slam the door so hard that the universe will shake and mankind will stand back in stupefaction.”

Re: Afterthought to ultimatum

[mitchell2]

Given the modern medical system is a huge and unsustainable consumer of energy, inevitably jobs will be removed ahead of persisting or even increasing demand.

Some years ago I reached out to JMG for advice on setting up worker owned cooperatives. He advised me that government support or grants were intended as a de facto subsidy for big business. I chose to learn that lesson the hard way, reinvented myself, and survived in small scale entrepreneurship without subsidy till the present day.

I wonder if it is yet pragmatic to consider independent entrepreneurship or some form of practitioner or multi stakeholder cooperative, given the freshly emerging closed system opportunity facilitated by 'outsider' providers and customers. It seems to me like a ready made market opportunity is being offered up. The arrangement would have to be lean, but we can take some lessons from the cost and medically effective examples arising out of the current pandemic. I was thinking something along the lines of 'The Deplorable Doctors', but branding was never really my thing.

[stcathalexandria]

I live in an area with 25% questionable immigration status. Its so high that every government office must run in Spanish and English as there is no requirement to do business in English only. We have large multimillion dollar non-profits in addition to government programs to feed, house, and cloth this population of people. We don't have jobs here though but they keep coming because its better here than where they lived.

Here's some large sweeping data https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

"Under federal law, hospitals that receive federal funding – and most do – are required to care for patients who need emergency care, regardless of their immigration status or whether they are insured, Ehlke says. Hospital officials must provide care until the patient is stabilized, but not beyond that point. Hospitals also must develop a release plan for such patients." Hospitals have been sued for not treating illegal aliens so around me they go into the emergency room for sore throats and headaches. Hospitals charge everything to Medicaid so they run every test imaginable and allow the new doctors to practice. https://health.usnews.com/wellness/articles/2016-11-02/where-can-undocumented-immigrants-go-for-health-care

16 states give driver's licenses to illegal aliens despite the fact that they don't have a social security number https://www.natlawreview.com/article/pennsylvania-democrats-propose-new-bill-undocumented-immigrants-to-obtain-driver-s

Of course illegal aliens share social security numbers and obtain driver's licenses all the time so the whole "need ID to vote" is a useless idea.

[industrialchemy]

It is good to see other Ohio River dwellers here. I have long felt that it inspires mysticism in those that are willing to pay attention. Greetings and blessings from the upper end.

Re: Horrifying

[(Anonymous)]

I don't harbor any animosity towards the vaxxed who recognize and respect the free will of others in the question of whether or not to get vaxxed. In fact, I often refrain from inveighing against the vaccines, which I think are dangerous in both long-term and short-term effects, in front of people who I know or suspect were vaccinated because I don't want to make them worry about what they may have done to themselves. What's done is done, after all, and there's no sense in making people feel bad or anxious about it. More militant non-covaxxers (I'm not an "anti-vaxxer", I think properly-tested vaccines are great) may feel differently, but that's just how I roll in general, probably owing to my Pisces Moon.

That said, once my own employer institutes a date by which you have to be vaccinated or start being tested monthly (no way is any company that cares about its "bottom line" before anything else going to eat the cost of weekly testing of all those who don't want to get vaxxed, so I can pretty much count on having to pay for the testing should I choose that option), I'll probably knuckle under, but not until the latest possible date. It has been made clear to me by the Universe time and again that the job I've held for the previous 23 years is my place in the world, and there probably wouldn't be any other for me were I to willingly give it up. And I'm not strong enough to deal with being eventually destitute and homeless and a possible burden to my mother and older brother. I also rely on health insurance from my job to treat my type 2 diabetes and eat in a way that helps keep the disease under control.

As misguided as it is, the whole thing leaves me feeling just a little bit existentially betrayed. After all, I thought that the deal was, just as long as I accept being pretty much alone and marginal in my place in the world, I will be largely left alone. Now it feels as though Darth Vader just marched into the room with his long, black cape billowing behind him saying, "I have altered the deal. Pray I don't alter it further!"
--Mr. Nobody

Re: blood toxins?

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen one person with that sort of weird rash; I didn't connect it to the vaccine, but it did appear not long after she got her first dose...

[(Anonymous)]

The full shorter-term trials WERE run. If what you're suggesting is that there should have been similarly large three-year trials to see whether, after a few years of rapid global spread, a variant might arise that would cause serious ADE - something we still don't know now, after more than a year - please consider two points:

(1) Millions of people would have died during the intervening years.

(2) If at the end of that period the vaccine recipients in the trial hadn't suffered ADE, would you then say okay, go ahead and give the vaccine to anyone who might be left still uninfected? That vaccine would be for the original strain and no longer very effective, if at all. If they redesigned it to suit the predominant 2023 variant, should that then be usable without any clinical trials? With a big short-term trial? Or another three-year trial, rinse and repeat?

The most common goal of vaccination campaigns is to save lives. Sometimes the product is screwed up and does the opposite. But in a pandemic, with people dying by the week, there is nothing sinister about regulators' having felt a sense of urgency.

Re: A thought

[(Anonymous)]

I'm in central Indiana, building a parallel micro community, if anyone here is nearby they are most welcome and encouraged to reach out.
Gawain

[(Anonymous)]

Whatever else you might say about old Dr. Goebbels, he certainly knew his craft. I distinctly remember a neo-nazi character on an old television show remarking that the Third Reich's Minister of Propaganda "would have had a ball with television", and I think that is absolutely true.

[d_mekel]

Does anyone know if religious exemptions are a possibility?

Re: Immune tolerance hypothesis

[(Anonymous)]

I do agree with you that it is logical to assume that the virus would follow the typical pattern of virus evolution I.e. improved transmissibility but reduced lethality. Indeed the data with Delta suggests just such a pattern of mutation.

My understanding wasn’t any special increase in transmissibility. The problem is that now TB is/can be resistant to most/all our forms of treatment. That’s why it’s more dangerous. So it adapts around the vaccines, one form of flawed treatment, therefore the vaccines no longer work. This is of course part of the drive towards boosters, but unless something is done to change the vaccines, I.E. standard killed virus/flu shot, the risks of the side effects goes up.
Then of course what happens when/if the vaccines stop working all together? So it isn’t that the virus is likely to be more deadly in and of itself necessarily its that it could become harder to treat. And persistent infections doing damage would then be more likely to be lethal.

Now perhaps to your point coronavirus in the round seems to be something most people would just get over versus TB which is much more difficult.

We will be arriving at herd immunity with a flu like virus one way or the other from the twin pressures of normal viral evolution and human immune response adaptations. My concerns continue to be the vaccine side effects and consequences. Especially ADE. To my mind the treatment is worse than the disease. “May cause anal leakage?” “No thanks I’ll just deal with the restless leg.”
“May cause ADE, TIA, cytokine storms, enlarged hearts, anaphylactic shock, sudden death. And is not guaranteed to work as it is experimental.” “No thanks, I’ll take my chances with the flu.”

[(Anonymous)]

Given that every prior effort at a coronavirus vaccine has ended up producing vaccine enhanced illness, vaccination here was completely insane. Full stop, end of sentence. I don't know if the spike protein would have mutated as quickly without the selective pressures from vaccination, but if so, then yes I think the regulators screwed up spectacularly here, and that vaccination should never have even been considered.

[(Anonymous)]

Anyone making the decisions then.