Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 203

[ecosophia]

We are now approaching the end of the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary all these years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.  

Comments

Re: Japan

[methylethyl]

I didn't recall seeing any "we rejected a huge batch for contaminants" notice from anywhere else, but... just because I didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I understand that Japan still went pretty whole-hog for the shots. It's just that the few things I've seen working their way out of the country into the skeptic scene suggest that the academic censorship wasn't/isn't as total there. Perhaps it doesn't need to be, because the culture itself is one of compliance. (shrugs) Maybe their scientific funding structure is different?

I've never seen any country where the current scientific research trickled down into actual medical practice and public health recommendations in less than ten years.

Re: Japan

[weilong]

Japan's pharma industry and regulators have a habit of enforcing "quality" standards far in excess of internationally recognized standards. I put quality in quotes because in many cases it really does seem unnecessary. I like to say that there's low quality, there's high quality, and there's Japanese quality. Japanese quality is typified by extremely rigorous requirements that don't serve any obvious purpose (such as safety or efficacy in drugs).

FWIW, my guess on the contaminated batch you mentioned is that the Japanese were doing the usual quality control checks, while other countries gave the clot shots a free pass.

I can remember seeing covid-skeptical books on the shelf at the local book store, and fliers for speaking tours warning people of the dangers of the shots. It seems there has been a minority of people who realized what was going on. They weren't crushed, but they didn't get a whole lot of traction, either. Most people only know what the TV told them this morning; and the TV says wear a mask and get the shot.