ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 197

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Me, I've always thought that was one of Marcus's best comments, and literally true. You may have hold of something crucial regarding the bots, though -- I've seen repeated claims that some huge fraction of all internet traffic is produced by bots rather than people, and I could see constant interaction with bots making people more mechanical and rigid in their thinking and communication.

My internal reaction to LLMs is up there with the feeling I had about the covid injections and that was extreme. Don't know what is going on.

Have also noticed an uptick in unexpected emotional states trying to bubble up in myself, like something is in the air... really wouldn't want to be without internal practices just now. Getting out digging and doing in garden is a life-saver. Probably daft, but sometimes it feels like there is more coming through screens than what I think I'm looking at! ;)
Am seriously considering shutting down all internet browsing for a time as a test.

Doubt we are too far from personalised bots generating individual feeds, stories and digital behavioural management. Could get wild.

earthworm— I share your take on the LLMs.
Cetiosaurus

And yet I can't exactly say why or for what reason... I came across this yesterday:
"There are three kinds of feeling. The lowest is passional. The highest is intuitional. Between them lies the emotional."
All I can say is that some part of me feels that the less involvement I have with them the better.

If educational departments are playing with using LLM bots to see if the can influence people, and if one considers that military have access to stuff long before it hits main street, it makes me pause and wonder what was deployed during the roll-out of covid.

JMG said: "I've seen repeated claims that some huge fraction of all internet traffic is produced by bots"

The best years of a useful internet may have (or soon have) passed!

Experience has taught me to never ignore that intuition or gut feeling even if it doesn't make sense. This gauntlet of gaslighting regarding covid also drove home I have no obligation to explain myself either. Trying to explain an intuition can sometimes just give the other person hooks to talk me into doing the wrong thing. Don't ever argue with crazy even if it makes me look like the crazy one.

I would not be surprised if it comes out later that they were using LLMs for the covid propaganda. That would explain how so many went all invasion of the body snatchers during the whole thing. Now I'm wanting to start putting Phillip K. Dick novels in the sociology section at the library.

Agreed the internet looks to be going into a slow death spiral. Perhaps an idea for short fiction could be about the last online merchant to stay in business selling 'what would the Amish do?' shirts and stickers.

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Coyote Girl— about respecting one's own gut feelings. I would second that.

I believe that I was guided, many years ago, to pay heed to Dr. John Lilly's message about the Solid State Entity. Not sure Dr. L had it quite right, but the basic idea, yes— that's my gut feeling about it.

Cetiosaurus

"Don't ever argue with crazy even if it makes me look like the crazy one."

One of my favourites is:
‘Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.’
...though if I look back and think about heated discussions where I appear to have come out well, these days I wonder if it is me who is the idiot and my experience in that has simply stood me in good stead.

The best years of a useful internet may have (or soon have) passed!

I've seen plenty of evidence that Internet peaked in 2005, which is interesting since it is the peak of conventional oil too... Every year after 2005 convinced me that internet peaked in 2005.

What is being done to Internet and information is the equivalent of fracking, just push this highly pressurized toxic mix in those intricate pipes to squeeze more information out of it.

I think those Linux/Python (OS/language of choice for LLMs) pipes looks something like this (a frack head):

LLMs

At least you can use it to draw itself

The mental image I use for LLM is a hangar filled with Nigerian helpdesk operators equipped with tooling and caching. If Nigerians feel a lack of empathy for Westerners that is perhaps not unjustified.

Speaking of Nigerian scams, do you know that they were homegrown in US and invented by none other than Chelsea Clinton's father-in-law? I am not making it up.

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