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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 195

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

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Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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I rent an apartment in a higher-income neighborhood which has a lot of retirees. The surrounding neighborhoods have a high proportion of PMC folks. Historically the area has trended politically conservative. But a couple of years ago, the county's website on coronavirus showed that by early 2022, some 95% of people over 65 in the county had gotten the shots. So.

For the past couple years, I've been hearing EMT sirens almost daily. For the last year I've noticed that the main drag in my little retiree neighborhood, which used to be full of cars on a Saturday afternoon, is now almost deserted. I notice the same thing about the bigger main drag through the nearby shopping area, which serves both the retiree and the PMC neighborhoods.

It's not a constant state of desertion. At rush hours the roads are still busy, the grocery stores are still busy and full of people. (last Saturday at Trader Joe's was a mosh pit!!) But there are also these times when these roads used to be busy, and now they are not.

It's impossible to say whether people are just lairing up and doing all their shopping online, or if they are simply not present. Certainly, there is no increase in the number of dwellings for sale; in fact, prices are at an all-time high and availability at an all-time low. IDK, scratching my head.

- Cicada Grove

Interesting! I live in a densely populated area with high rises (so low income.) It's the same here, the streets are often empty, especially outside rush hours. My guess is people are glued to their phones. As I am while I write this, haha.

Do you see an uptick in the obituary data? That kind of information is usually public.

I have not been looking at that (no time), so I don't know.

We live about 70 miles from the nearest Koger store they started delivery service to my part of the world in 2016. The delivery service ended on April 25 2025 people were given 2 weeks notice but no reason. We live in a very unvax area. Blueberry

"The delivery service ended on April 25 2025 people were given 2 weeks notice but no reason."

Downturn in the economy? Cutting the least profitable (or maybe loss-making) products?

I am surprised they used to deliver 70 miles way. That would take 2hrs back and forth from the store, no? The entire stretch of greater Seattle, where I live, is less than 70 miles. Everette to Tacoma is 62 miles. New York to Philadelphia is 93 miles.

My guess is downturn in the economy. Never could figure out what they were thinking. Amazon trucks are in the area 2 hour drive one way for them. Blueberry

Or in JMG's context, that is like living north of Providence, RI and ordering take-out from Nashua, NH (two states away).

New England can fit entirely in some of the bigger American states out west. And many of those western states are not as densely populated as New England.

Technically true, but New England is a little less than half the size of California...

https://mapfight.xyz/compare/california-vs-new.england/

...and California's population is about the same proportion to New England's, more than 39 million compared to just over 15 million. So it wouldn't be unreasonable to compare New England to the southern half of California, say.

i wouldn't be surprised if this is due to, say, logistics experts doing their jobs (?!), other "experts" doing their "jobs" hedging bets about the future price of diesel fuel, and wondering if their ceo will still have a seat at the table when when the diminished (vs. expected) amount of spoils are to be divided.

Not obituary data, but many funeral homes have opened in the last 3 years. Follow the money I guess...

I'm seeing rumors that real estate listing numbers are being gamed. This might obscure the picture, at least if you are looking at homes-for-sale as an indicator.

That wouldn't surprise me one bit.
I'm quite sure real estate, period, is being gamed.

- Cicada Grove

Yeah. I think the bubble is finally starting to pop, and there are a LOT of vested interests involved who would very much like it to NOT look like that is what is happening, at least until they can get their money out of it.

Prices are starting to falter in my area (I keep close tabs on this, as we've been failing to buy a house for like four years now), number of houses-for-sale, number of things sitting on the market and then having price reductions, is going up. I've seen some people who are watching the MLS listings directly, saying that weird patterns are emerging in number-of-listings in dicey overinflated markets like Phoenix, where listings numbers, on weekends, are dropping by nice round multiples-of-100 type amounts, then gradually drifting back up, which means either some hanky-panky is happening to try and obscure the actual sharply-rising number of unsold listings, OR (less likely, but not impossible?) some large entity is bulk-buying weirdly even numbers of houses all at once, on Fridays.

Totally apart from all the obvious fraud in that market, the boomers are the big homeowners, and they are dying off (assisted by the ESGs no doubt). A lot of the market inflation sort of counted on them staying in their oversized suburban houses forever. Bound to be some scrambling to hide that inconvenient fact, by people heavily invested in the whole houses-appreciate-forever myth. Expecting aggressive data fraud.

That said, we now have some experience with the patterns and perils of data fraud... if that's taught us anything, it's that you can hide the direct, naked numbers like death stats and cause-of-death data, but you can't fake everything all at once and the reality leaks out in weird places, like insurance companies and cell phone data, utility company usage, that sort of thing.

So what interesting datasets might help us poke at the real numbers of empty houses, if MLS is gaming the numbers?

They could be lying about how many people got the shot too. See, everyone else has gotten it, you better get it too. I'd say the only thing you can really trust these days is your own eyes and ears, when they are not looking at some digital screen.

I'd say as far as gauging the RE market - if your landlord feels confident in jacking up your rent, you're in a hot RE market. If your landlord isn't jacking up your rent, it's treading water or going down. In general landlords don't lower rents, they wait for you to jump ship to someone else undercutting them and then they lower rent to the next guy. So if you see "move in" specials, some other landlord trying to steal you away, that's a soft RE market.

Faking poll numbers to make the opposition feel like an isolated minority when they aren't, seems to be a favorite tactic on that side. Wouldn't be at all surprised if the real compliance numbers were much lower. But... a lot of people really did do it.

That's such a great clue, I'm thinking "duh, I should have thought of that!"

My complex currently is overcrowded, especially in one end, with people parking along the internal curbs in the parking lot at night when spaces run out. If that stops happening, that'll really be an indicator.

- Cicada Grove

Eh. Generally how they fig-leaf jacking rents is "remodeling" something, like installing new toilets, etc and then using that as an excuse to jack up your rent. Helps if they and you know that you have nowhere else to go so, what are you going to do about it. If every apartment complex has a waiting list to get in, things are sizzling. If they're not doing that, the real estate market is either treading water or going down, regardless of who's parking where.

Other indicators, if you see lots of vacant land getting cleared for construction (take a bicycle ride - for some reason you tune a lot of stuff out when you drive), if the local job market is hot, they all tend to track each other. Anything you see on a digital screen is becoming more and more worthless, especially with ai-driven botting.

Something seems to be going on. I lurk on a Reddit sub for widows and widowers, and occasionally comment. Somebody posted a few hours ago about losing his 38yo wife to a sudden brain condition, not otherwise specified, that killed her in five days. In response people are coming out of the woodwork to talk about the sudden deaths of their spouses -- turbo cancer, sudden heart attack, dead one morning for no obvious reason, all fairly young. I haven't seen this on that sub before. Anecdata? Granted, but it's got my nerves just a little on edge.

For what it's worth, this matches my own experience.

As I've said many times, any individual one of the 'sudden and unexpected' deaths and diagnosis I've seen in my wider circles in the last 5 years could be explained away as 'sometimes freak things really do just happen.' But I am certain that there is now way more of it. Prior to 2021, things like sudden fatal strokes/heart attacks, people dying in their sleep, young people with strokes and embolisms, sudden aggressive cancer, rare cancers, etc., as well as sudden deaths where no obvious cause is found, were nowhere near this common. Something is going on.

Yes, something is going on. Just this past week I've had news of various deaths from all over. A schoolmate of a relative (cancer) last week, a friend's sister, plus several more. No one close to me personally, but lots of them. Latest example: This morning a colleague said she had to take off work later this week to attend the funeral of a lady from her church. The lady was fine, it seemed, then came down with some liver issue and was dead within a week.

I can see how the early deaths back in 2021 (strokes, heart attacks, freak accidents, turbo cancers) could be dismissed as the normal "bad luck" but there are too many now.

I've had two of my immediate neighbors die (or are about to die) of various cancers over the past 5 years. One had a glioblastoma that was diagnosed sometime around 2022, he's currently in hospice care and on his way out. Age is 37 or 38? And another neighbor of mine died of colorectal cancer a few months ago. She was 46.

The latter I know for sure took the shots. Not sure about the former.

I also had another neighbor die at 62 of pancreatic cancer in 2020, but the timing doesn't line up there.

It's been a weird few years. Very unnerving.

Yesterday (Sunday), after 5 days of having a hospital decline to scan him for such issues (MRI or CT or what have you), my son-in-law's aunt and uncle took his 21 year old cousin to another affiliated hospital serving a wealthier neighborhood where he was immediately whisked away for scans that revealed a stroke, the symptoms of which he'd been having since the previous Monday.

Twenty-one years old.

He went into surgery and came out of it relatively coherent and cognizant. Apparently the "doctors were baffled" about the cause and sent a piece of brain matter away for biopsy to try to figure out the cause.

Family, of course, is blaming his marijuana* and junk food diet... As if teenagers from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s, and 2010s frequently suffered strokes for exactly that reason.

yeah, sure.

*ok, is the super-high THC-strains they're selling these days good for you? Not likely. But still...

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