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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 194

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.
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Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy
I thought it was a very well-written essay... sent it to a catholic friend whom I'm not sure will read it. While he said he has cautioned his kids that the pope is not necessarily the church, yet when the pope was in Singapore just a few months ago, they were among the huge crowds that signed up for the lottery to see him in person in some stadium etc. This friend was barred from attending Mass for almost 2 years when the local catholic church went along with the govt diktats that the unvexed were unclean. As I often reminded him, did that make him less of a 'catholic' by not being able to go to church? He was adamant that since his faith is sincere, he was fine. So when the church reopened it's doors fully, he rushed back in with his family. *sigh* Somehow he couldn't see the obvious ... that true spirituality and sincerity comes from within, not via a over-arching church organization. Sadly he is like most people, doesn't have to be PMC class though they're the worst, where the obvious lies and contradictins are right in front of them, and they blithely ignore it and move on as programmed.
Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy
That is not how orthodox Catholics think. For them the CHURCH is their primary mediator, their connection to God, and for him to not immediately go back and hear Mass in person when he could, weekly at least, would be a mortal sin.
The whole idea of going within for a connection to God goes against Catholic practice. You get at God through the mediator of the priest, and Catholic devotional literature emphasizes you must distrust yourself and your own judgement, and obey your priest or spiritual advisor. Individual prayer, and individual judgement, is secondary, not primary.
That is why Jeff Childer's essay about the Pope and vaccine policy has such a vicious cutting edge to it. The statements of Francis re the vaccines are at the level of God's law to many, many Catholics, and that puts them in a horrible spiritual bind of conscience.
Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy
He likes to remind that only priests have the power to do certain stuff - aka as you said they HAVE to be in church to receive the Eucharist. So I said, if they had continued to mandate the covid shots in order for you to enter a church, are you going to obey? How long are you going to hold out since it's a 'sin'?
He has also bombarded me with worries that the police and other enforcers may come to get people to be vexed up... sending me links with the stories about SG signing up to new WHO treaties and what not. I keep telling him, I have zero worries or concern - since they'll literally have to put a gun to my head to force me to do it, and even then I'll probably still be resisting. The decision not to comply with coercion and stupidity has been made, it's that simple and clearcut to me at least. He then tells me that his daughter has to do a course of study where they require her to take fresh chickenpox jabs. I told him, it's another example of you choosing whether you want to comply, or actively find workarounds if you don't want to. It's pretty obvious that once people are even half-inclined to follow diktats, they won't look too hard for alternatives. I gave him example of how the various restrictions imposed on the unvexed during the height of controls here meant we would be blocked from many services. Heck, I could tell that at some point they would even restrict our access to the public libraries (it happened at the tailend), but we set up online accounts so that the family could borrow ebooks and keep on reading etc. No checking of vex status there! There were often ways to zig zag around the various restrictions, and you don't post it online, just spread it quietly through small trusted circles...
Since he actually acknowledges that the pope has been extremely compromised morally, that popes are not infallible... then logically the church doctrine that the same pope has been formulating may not really be meant to meet people's spiritual needs. Instead of taking the time to study the actual church history, understand why the reformation happened (Martin Luthor / indulgences etc), he has fallen back on old habits in a sense. Just like the normies he mocks for quickly embracing the old normal as soon as restrictions are lifted. It's so obvious, yet he can't see the parallels.
Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy
You make an interesting point there.
I can't count the number of people I've heard say, You understand I only took the vaccine for [fill in the blank] - my children, my family, my neighbors. I think it's meant to show how unselfish they are, but that feels wrong.
I think that sort of "they made me do it" attitude is a way of abdicating responsibility. It gives them a chance to think and say that, whatever happens, it's not my fault.
Did I get sick after the vax? It's not my fault, I had no choice.
If I have an alternative then I have to admit I have a choice and have to take responsibility for it. It is admitting I have to think and decide for myself - and I think that is a step some people would rather not take.
Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy
It would fit in the pattern of the church not taking responsability for any wrongdoing. The many abuse scandals are testament to it. I think the worst about the abuse scandals is the gaslighting and protection of the perpetrators. Not speaking out about the vax would be just another example.
I thought about the Malachy prophesies. In a Sprengerian sense one could argue that Francis already was the last pope of the church of God. He was instrumental in kickstarting the Second Religiosity. Where Benedict tried to get spirituality back in the chuch by allowing the Latin mass again, Francis shut that door again and showed disrespect to Benedict at his funeral. I've remarked to a friend that Francis struck me more like a social worker than a religious leader. He appointed a mass of progressive cardinals too so his successor will no doubt continue the Second Religiosity.
PS There is another way in which the prophecy could come true. If the vax scandal finally breaks, the outrage could also include the gaslighting religious leaders. That backlash could severely hurt the catholic church. In the Netherlands Christianity is rising amongst young people, but it is mainly protestantism. This trend could be reinforced if the church of Rome is found to be perpetrating and covering up another scandal that this time hurt millions.
Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy
Babylon Bee did a story on that back when Pope Benedict/Ratzinger died in 2022 - Pope Francis Announces Passing Of Final Catholic Pope.
https://babylonbee.com/news/pope-francis-announces-passing-of-final-catholic-pope
Re: St. Malachy’s Prophecy