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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2025-04-22 10:16 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 194

rememberWe are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.


5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.


With that said, the floor is open for discussion. 

Re: Lupron

(Anonymous) 2025-04-25 01:06 pm (UTC)(link)
OK, I looked it up and found this webpage from Marshall University, which runs the registry, responding to the public concerns.

https://www.marshall.edu/atc/wvasd-registry/

It may be that the journalist, or AI, who wrote the story I saw inaccurately described the repository, which is not the same as "the mass media [are] lying". The website says that autism is a reportable condition. (I find that a bit troubling in itself. It's not communicable and, in fact, not even well defined.) They say that they do not share information or keep information that would identify the individual or their family. BUT, the information reported includes "the person’s initials, age, a county of residence, and asks some questions like the number of siblings a person has, and what level of autism is diagnosed." In smaller counties, it would often be possible to identify an individual from that information.

I have a concern about this because maybe, when these kids are adults, they will not choose to identify as autistic. The Experts are still claiming both that the increase is due to better diagnosis and that it is still "underdiagnosed" at well over 3%, which basically implies that they want the least popular kid in every school class to receive a diagnostic label. Perhaps in future the pendulum will swing back the other way. Or perhaps these young people will want to compete for jobs where a diagnostic label could be used against them.

What if a child is unhappy and labeled as "depressed", or stressed by school and labeled as "having anxiety"? Should those diagnoses be reported with the possibility of being used against them for life? How about physical diseases? I'd argue that what the experts formerly called Asperger's is not a "disease" at all and should not be treated as such.

Re: Lupron

(Anonymous) 2025-04-25 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I would rather argue that "autism spectrum disorder" is created to muddle the situation. The hard autism cases are difficult to not diagnose. When I see parents in the supermarket walking around with kids with autism (not the "spectrum"), I do not think I have much confusion or need help from an "expert" to tell.

RFK Jr. argued convincingly that the number of these hard autism cases ("Will Never Pay Taxes, Hold a Job, Go on a Date") went up by a large amount in recent years. So, maybe "The Experts are still claiming both that the increase is due to better diagnosis" is just an officially approved narrative.

Re: Lupron

(Anonymous) 2025-04-25 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course it is a thoughtstopping narrative. Those of us over 50 know darn well incidence is increasing.

Re: Lupron

[personal profile] anonymoose_canadian 2025-04-26 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure how "saying false things" is different from "lying". What exactly is the difference?

Re: Lupron

(Anonymous) 2025-04-26 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Lying is deliberate dishonesty. If an AI drafted the story and conflated a doctor's being legally required to report on diagnoses with the patient's being required to self-report, that's not deliberate. If the reporter is just sloppy or writes like a roomful of monkeys with a typewriter, again, they may not intend to mislead. Most false utterances probably are not lies.