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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 192
We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:
1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.
2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.
4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.
5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.
6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.
Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.
With that said, the floor is open for discussion.
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So, if we restrict ourselves to "drugs taken by healthy people, out of fear of future disease", then we are in the domain of gambling - ie playing the odds.
From the point of view of any individual person making a decision as to whether to take this punt, the sole value of an RCT is to provide the same benefit that a bookmaker provides to their punters, giving a fair assessment of odds. The punter then decides whether those odds stack up, for them. With no guarantee of success... it's gambling, after all! Odds are odds, not certainties.
The only thing that I would add to this, though, is that the standard of safety that should apply to drugs taken by healthy people, out of fear of future disease, is of the very highest and most rigourous. There should be a near zero chance of that drug taking away ANY of the health the person already enjoys, otherwise the uncertain prospect of not getting a feared disease that might never happen anyway, is a bet worth forgoing.
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(Anonymous) 2025-04-11 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)But it could also logically depend upon the likelihood of benefit, the likelihood of harm, and how much value or disvalue you put on each potential outcome. Whether you're at 100% health or not (who of us is, past 30?) has little to do with that.
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(Anonymous) 2025-04-12 07:41 am (UTC)(link)Nonetheless, the highest and most rigorous standard of safety should certainly apply to any drugs callously *advertised* at healthy people for the fun and profit of gazillionaires. If addicts want to search out the seediest bookmakers and most nefarious dealers in the furthest backrooms of the meanest streets, that's on them; however, permitting the Fauci's of the world to cripple and then liquidate the unsuspecting is truly beyond the pale. Just another of the unexpected joys of living through a time of civilizational unraveling.
— Christophe
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In the dishonest world of drugs, we are continually offered "odds" that are:
1) statistically gamed to oversell potential benefits and undersell potential harms...
2) presented as the "prudent" thing to do; or as the socially conscious and unselfish thing to do...
3) aimed at training us to see ourselves as bundles of risk that we are responsible for managing well...
...and that dishonesty prevents us from detecting that (whenever we are speaking of those classes of drugs aimed at prevented a feared disease, or lowering a risk factor), we have entered a casino, where the house always wins.
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(Anonymous) 2025-04-13 06:50 am (UTC)(link)I’m particularly fond of applied kinesiology as a divination practice because the part of our soul that muscle testing allows us to communicate with, the embodied part that dwells on the physical plane, is exceptionally gifted at keeping track of and comparing multiple codependent odds and likelihoods. The embodied part of our soul is the part that is continuously monitoring, extrapolating, and then adjusting the rates of all the various subconscious systems that keep our organism alive. Core temperature compared to the extremities, cross-reference that with blood pressure fluctuation upon rising from sitting, plus low salt levels and high blood sugar, add a dash of dehydration, vasodilation from recent emotional stimulation, that ongoing arrhythmia, and a lack of several nutrients in the bloodstream. “Quick, conscious mind, figure out which ones need to be adjusted in which directions simultaneously to achieve homeostasis! Oops, not quick enough — you die.” Yeah, our souls really are that much wiser and more talented than our headstrong little conscious minds care to admit. Heck, that simplified example didn’t even touch on any the subtle plane influences and parasites that our souls have to continuously take into account.
Such extraordinary horsepower, steered by such an obtuse charioteer! Thank the gods that that charioteer goes to sleep each night, so the soul gets a fighting chance to try to rebalance its various levels without constant distraction. Of course, in the hands of an uncommonly clueless charioteer, any divination practice can get dreadfully corrupted. A conscious mind that manipulatively attempts to exploit its soul by abusing any method of divination will very quickly discover precisely how much wiser and more talented its soul is, as that soul carefully calculates exactly what answers its consciousness actually needs to learn from, rather than what its consciousness had hoped to gain from. Each soul is perpetually steering its conscious awareness towards what it needs to learn, but those lessons come so much more easily when the ambitious charioteer is not cynically trying to rein in and exploit the soul's natural goodwill.
So, the embodied part of the soul can do all kinds of complex calculations of overlapping causes with complementary responses in order to obtain optimal outcomes — that is its daily grind, after all. The trick is to remember that its understanding of causes, responses, and outcomes will always be incomprehensibly more subtle and nuanced than anything the conscious mind can understand. Just as focusing on how to align one’s will with the will of any god one interacts with will considerably improve the results of that divine relationship, so focusing on coming into alignment with one’s soul will considerably improve the results of that lifelong partnership.
In this casino world we will always find ourselves dealing with statistical gaming, social shaming, and manipulative training. Our soul learned all about those dishonest techniques long ago, and our conscious mind is always learning from and relating to our soul’s wisdom, even when it doesn’t want to, even when it’s desperately trying to run away from that wisdom. It takes an awful lot of lifetimes to finally relinquish trying to escape from the soul’s deep wisdom, then quite a few more to get the hang of actually aligning with the soul and its purpose in coming into incarnation. As long as we keep running off with our fingers in our ears, it's our own dishonesty that prevents us from detecting our soul’s wisdom. Once we stop all that frantic running and actually listen, we're able to hear our soul clarifying those dishonest techniques, calculating the complex odds, and clearly warning us “That shot will be the death of you.” The house only wins when we’re running scared away from our Selves.
— Christophe
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"we will always find ourselves dealing with statistical gaming, social shaming, and manipulative training..." (nicely phrased)
"The house only wins when we’re running scared away from our Selves... [and when we play a different game of our own choosing, the house loses.]"
Yes. Exactly. :)
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(Anonymous) 2025-04-14 02:09 am (UTC)(link)But they did, and their games began. Their resulting self-immolation has turned into a delightfully cathartic sight to behold, has it not? Let's do be as generous as possible towards those self-styled Capitol-dwellers, and extend to them our most sincerest of wishes, "May the odds be ever in your favor..."
— Christophe
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(Anonymous) 2025-04-14 11:46 am (UTC)(link)Such a chronically underrated story, I'm certain Suzanne Collins has significant prescience.
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(Anonymous) 2025-04-13 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)What a perfect description! You've just absolutely nailed my feelings about that worldview.
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