ecosophia | Magic Monday

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I'm familiar with discussions of that text in Western languages, and also the very odd and extensive textual evidence for aircraft in many Asian literatures. It really does look as though somebody in central Asia during late Atlantean times (that is, before the end of the last ice age) had some fairly advanced technology, including electricity, aircraft, and at least the concept of atomic explosives.

The Mahabharata, by the way, is as far as I know the world's largest epic poem -- if I recall correctly it's something like six times the length of the Bible. The Bhagavad-gita is one small episode in it. It contains some extremely ancient material, stuck in there like flies in amber; the Vedas were finalized much earlier, but it's quite possible that the Mahabharata contains material that's older.

I see, thanks for clarifying! I'm not as familiar with the Indian side of things, and it takes some sorting out. Rather fascinating that some of the oldest bits got cemented into the later collection, but textual history can be complex.
I didn't want to go overboard, so I didn't mention vimanas or other accounts of ancient flying machines, but that is indeed thematically relevant to the source of all this. I just wish we knew more about that Late Atlantean Asian civilization!

I wish we did, too. If occult history is anything to go by, though, its heartland was in what's now the most forbidding and lifeless parts of the central Asian desert belt, which had rain-fed lakes during the last ice age. It may be a very long time before anyone excavates there.

That's probably going to be the ultimate fate of European civilization as our climate shifts and the desert belts move north from the Sahara into Europe. The Jupiterian and Saturnian cycles of civilizations won't know about Europe because Europe will be harsh desert that nobody wants to go and investigate for past civilizations.

That's quite possible. Alternatively, though, it's possible that warming could ultimately bring us an equable climate, which I've discussed here --

https://www.ecosophia.net/riding-the-climate-toboggan/

-- and which would mean no deserts anywhere on the planet. We'll have to wait and see!

I must have missed this post because I feel pretty sure I would have caught the subtle joke in your Lincoln "quote" and commented on it.

Edited 2025-02-18 04:38 (UTC)

Europe is much more coastal, which should have a moderating effect compared to inland Asia. But yes, maybe we too will be remembered as ancient garbled texts, strange artifacts, and legends...

Also, I would've posted at my usual time had I known this discussion would be so productive.

I wonder if they were also extensively using fossil fuels during late Atlantean times, and if the end of the ice age is the result of the climate change from the extraordinary amounts of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases being put into the air.

That's been suggested more than once. The only difficulty is that so much fossil fuels were left for us -- by comparison, it'll be at least another fifty million years or so before there's another fossil fueled civilization on earth, because we've extracted so much, so fast!

Could they possibly have used some form of alcohol as a fuel source? It wouldn't surprise me if ancient peoples worked out some way to distill fermented fruits or grains and put it to use as a fuel source. IIRC, Ethanol has a very poor EROEI as a fuel source, so it won't run a civilization but it's perfect for isolated projects. (If the movie October Sky can be trusted, a few very prominent NASA engineers got their start making rockets fueled by moonshine.)

That's a possibility, but it wouldn't have caused climate instability, which Anon was suggesting.

This is where some people might start talking about abiotic oil, because if that phenomenon exists, it might be able to shrink the time frame to replenish oil and gas reserves from fifty million years to ten thousand years. Mind you though, ten twenty thousand years is still too long to save our civilization.

Er, I'd want to see some evidence for abiotic oil that isn't from proponents.

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