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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 182

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

6. Please don't just post bare links without explanation. A sentence or two telling readers what's on the other side of the link is a reasonable courtesy, and if you don't include it, your attempted post will be deleted.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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You are not wrong at all and I wish you and every other person taking charge of their own health every success.

I'm in Canada and I've been doing this for decades. I spent most of my working life in the natural health industry. Every 8 or 10 years Health Canada takes aim at the natural health industry and those of us who would defend freedom of choice in health care are forced to expend a huge amount of energy trying to fend off the latest round of restrictive regulations. Not fun. Not productive. Not conducive to networking with others and sharing information. So many good products lost. So many small companies crushed.

The cost of bring a new product onto the market is incredibly prohibitive; the research required, the fees and licensing costs. It's all unbelievably complicated too. All of it impacts the cost and availability of natural remedies and supplements. On top of which, the merest hint of a rumour of the possibility of a chance that a product might have even a minor negative impact results in it being instantly whisked off the market. Every scrap of inventory is seized and the task of proving it safe is long and costly. If it ever does come back onto the market, the process of getting it re-approved is usually long enough to insure that any existing stock is stale dated. Anything that can be used to address the really serious stuff is particularly at risk.

All of which is to say that some top-down change from the government and medical authorities on this side of the 49th would be very welcome.

This is all deliberate of course, the objective being to remove competition and support the creation of effective monopolies i.e. a few very large players.

This applies to many areas of life, including agriculture and food processing, invoking the sacred God of 'safety'.

The sacred God of 'safety', indeed.

The nonsense done in modern times for the sake of 'safety', and the belligerence with which it is imposed, defy reason - until one realizes that the concept of 'safety' in our society now fills the void left behind by removing the concept of 'piety' that seemed so important a thousand years ago. That sheds a whole new light onto what's been happening in recent years.

Old Steve

“the merest hint of a rumour of the possibility of a chance that a product might have even a minor negative impact results in it being instantly whisked off the market. Every scrap of inventory is seized and the task of proving it safe is long and costly.”

Ironically, this did not apply when it came to a certain mandated experimental bovid vaccine.

Well, of course not! It only applies to things that don't make a profit for the pharmaceutical industry, and for that reason are by definition dangerous quackery. Everything that comes out of Big Pharma, by contrast, is stamped with the seal of approval of The Science™, and can't possibly cause any harm to anyone.

/sarc...

And then there's the other side where tptb attack an effective natural remedy and try to make it unavailable by highlighting a single incident where it caused harm to someone who never should have taken it in the first place. Comfrey falls in this category. They are "protecting" us.

Thank goodness comfrey grows abundantly easily in many places.

During the most recent round of Health Canada shenanigans the owner-operator of Wild Rose College of Herbal Medicine told me that an increasing interest among their students has pushed them into developing courses in growing medicinal herbs.

Good news!

Midwest doc had a story about using DMSO for skin issues. I'm a proud and determined unfoxed but this intrigued me as I've had a lot of skin tags start since 2021. Health store carries it. $16/ 2oz bottle topical external use. In 4 weeks I've seen 40% disappear. Few stubborn big ones but they have shrunk. The big story is this cheap 1960s drug has side effects. My 72 year old hands were pretty arthritic first thing in the morning and my left was damaged in a motorcycle accident two years ago. Took up guitar as a physiotherapy. Barely could play 10 min. Got it up to 30-40 min but it was a struggle. Now my hands are free, loose and I'm starting violin. Go to his substack as he discusses this and a lot of other issues this works on. I quit taking vitamins in 03 as the panic died down so no other medicines in the mix.
Longsword

My youngest son has literally a ton of scars and ongoing skin issues from the shedding of his schoolmates (there's enough anec-data suggesting that younger folks shed more than older people). I've also had more skin tags appearing in just the last few years.

So Barbara O'neill, who's a big advocator of castor oil, has mentioned that applying 'good' castor oil heals a lot of skin issues over time as it contains many critical nutrients and vitamines which our skin needs.

DMSO major characteristic is that it can penetrate much deeeper past the skin barrier, and bring along whatever compounds is applied together with it.

So I've had my son diligently applying castor oil on his most affected skin areas and then adding DMSO. When I've helped him to do that at times, I also use the leftover oil and DMSO on my hand to apply it on a couple of areas where there's signficant scar tissue.

Yes it works, and much faster than either by itself. While my son's skin is still not totally smooth, it's lightyears better, and it's also helped to rebuild the skin layers so that he no longer has undue sensitivity in the most damaged areas. As for the couple of big scar areas where I've applied it, after just 7 or 8 applications, those areas are like 1/4 the original size.

Towards the end of last year, for whatever reason, my left foot would end up slipping on a super slick surface and cause me to smash my right knee on the ground.. about 3x in 5 days. I was extremely busy at that time and may have let my various SOP practices slide.. but it happened to surefooted me so while I could still heal up fast, there was a deeper mass of scar tissue in my right knee and I could no longer kneel on it as the deep scar tissue would impinge on some nerves upon outside pressure.

So 2 weeks ago, I purposely used the castor oil/DMSO on the right knee... and after 7 days, the deep scar tissue feels like at least 3/4 broken up or dissolved. And yes, I can put kneeling pressure on that knee now.

I am using 70% DMSO, which I mixed myself from a 100% 500ml bottle which I bought from an online seller out of Taiwan for $17. That's just to give you an indication that even the cheapest US prices on Amazon is a few times more expensive than non-US sources.

Edited 2025-01-29 23:29 (UTC)

Continuing re DMSO & skin tags:
70% DMSO topically has helped me with torn muscles and sore joints. I have been using it for almost 4 years.
Alas, the skin tags treated with the same mixture stayed stubbornly in place. After another reader's anecdote this month I began putting the full strength liquid on those stubborn little structures and lo, they have shrunk noticeably and appear to be on their way to oblivion.

The 100% does sting more on my neck but not for more than ten minutes; even 70% stings a bit. The sensitivity of the skin on different parts is variable. On knees and feet I don't feel it at all.

I'll try mixing it with castor oil. Do you do it ad lib. or at a fixed ratio?

Ad lib with the castor oil. Apply it first and then the DMSO.

When I mix the 70% DMSO myself, you can feel the heat being generated, with the bottle becoming almost too hot to touch. Me being in the tropics means high humidity, and likely a thin layer of sweat at most times. That moisture then reacts with the 100% DMSO and can be quite a bit of a burning sensation. The benefits were obvious, but since it hurt to apply the 100%, one had to think about it before deciding to use it. At 70%, most of that heat reaction seems to be dealt with.

Thanks for the tip for the skin tags... will be experimenting castor oil and 100% on myself in the next couple of days.

One of the big dangers of using DMSO is that it can help transport harmful substances into your body not just helpful substances.

So to be safe pre-wash any area you intend to use the DMSO on.
You don't want to transport say gasoline into your body.
( i personally work with biocides and i would never want to transport that stuff into my body)

And also it is possible to transport too much of a good thing.

So be careful.

This is not medical advice, but a safety warning about handling chemicals.

"So to be safe pre-wash . . . " and rinse thoroughly.

You don't want to transport soap residues into your body. Soap makes fat soluble chemicals water soluble. It can reek havoc on biological systems that's why it's used as an insecticide in gardens.

To what do you ascribe our ignorance of basic safety principles?
Readers here have been discussing this material for many weeks.
One does not wish to repeat everything from the source site.
Lest I accuse unjustly,
Let me say thank you for any genuine concern.

iridescent scintillating elver

Since it was signed by anonymous, I just took it as concern trolling by some AI.

LOL stubborn ass

I posted that because i am a chemist.

DMSO seems to be a fairly safe chemical by itself.
But because it can dissolve both polar and non polar chemicals and has the ability to cross cell walls it has the potential to affect most biological functions. That is why the Midwest Doc sees it as treating a very wide range of conditions.

That is both a good thing and a potential bad thing.

Washing and rinsing the areas of the body you intend to apply it to, should be standard practice.
I would also NOT recommend that you use gloves when applying to your body. It has the potential to transport some of the chemicals used in making gloves into your body.

If you are experimenting on yourself or your loved ones with this stuff, you should be careful. It looks like it is powerful stuff.

For example: mixing DMSO with fresh castor oil may give very different results than mixing it with old castor oil that may have gone rancid. I don't know and neither do you.

You might want to start small and take careful notes on what happens.

anyone who does not have respect for the potential dangers of chemicals should not be just playing around with them. That is not concern trolling that is basic chemical safety.

dobbs

I will second dobbs' statements. Medicine is not magic - or perhaps it's more correct to say, one should not expect the material world to behave the way you *wish* it would!

Here is another potential concern.
Are you mixing DMSO with something else in a plastic bowl or using plastic utensils?

Have you thought that you might be dissolving some of the phthalates or plasticizers from the plastic and introducing it into your body?

Because that is not something most people would even consider.

Proper handling of chemicals is something to repeated and reinforced on a regular basis, it is not an afterthought!!

Please note that I mentioned the glass bottle in which the DMSO is being mixed gets very hot to the touch. Yes, I have small stainless steel funnels, which I use to pour out the DMSO from the 500ml bottle into 2 100ml dropper bottles (glass again). Once I add the 200ml of reverse osmosis water to the big bottle and 2 dropper bottles, you get to 72% concentration. So I add a bit more water on a rough estimation basis to get to 70%.

Not sure where you get the impression that folks here are playing around with the stuff we're doing.

With DMSO, the only reason why I don't use it daily is the concern that I would build up too much tolerance for it and thus becomes less effective over time, something MWD has mentioned. Right now I'm using it 5 out of 7 days, in varying amounts depending on the application. Another caution she made was not to use DMSO after imbibing alcohol, as it drastically slows down the metabolic clearance of alcohol from the body. With that warning in mind, I've applied DMSO about 2.5 to 3 hrs after having some wine during a family dinner. I'm one of those "happy drunks" and can metabolize alcohol extremely fast (aka it's very very hard for me to get drunk). Self-experiment successful.

As an aside, I've mentioned this before... one of the very key insights from this whole covidian era is that when we find something that is truly safe and effective, those compounds do even more amazing things at a seemingly ridiculously high dosage. For example, the stated dosage for Vit D is 400-600 IU daily... which is way too low once you figure out how much proper sun exposure generates. It was a reasonably large size study of elderly stage 4 terminal cancer patients, given up for dead... and given 50K IU intravenously, and more than 50% recovered. Of course, no followup was ever done. Or taught to oncologists as a baseline treatment.

There's a few other compounds that have been mentioned in these pages... the ones that people have used high dosages for, and were still truly safe and effective. I have NOT pointed them out specifically but have discussed it with just a handful of people I trust, generally offline. Why? Because at even higher dosages, more miracles start to happen and because they are so cheap, instead of the govt/ big-pharma funded MSM demonizing them, we'll end up with outright bans. Just think of the story of DMSO, where it's benefits were already widely known by the 60's and the FDA through its control mechanisms was able to effectively memory-holed it for the better part of over half a century.

My humble advice to those who discover the extra benefits, please keep it close to your chest for a while longer. I believe the ground situation is changing drastically - in a favorable way, but right now the system can still take pre-emptive and draconian measures.

Interesting, thanks Stubborn.

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