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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 172

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Umm...It's not over til the Plus Size Birthing Person sings...

I should say as well that I don't necessarily know how to interpret the weighty feeling I've had lately. Is it:

-the same as anytime you contrast white next to black;
-just a blob of mustard (i.e., nothing real), as Scrooge would say;
-the November weather;
-a true spiritual message

Idk.

"I doubt they will be as dramatic as they are in the US."

In a way I am ok with this. For one, they don't *have to be* as dramatic as in the US, since everything flows to us from the US and change needs to be made there the most.

-B

Size-Positive Body-Affirming Cis-Birthing Person...

Where I live, there was compulsory masking on public transport for most of 2022, because the idiot chief health officer seriously believed masks could reduce transmission by a certain percentage, all based on a single study.

And all throughout the covid tyranny, the government and media were citing a string of nonsense mask studies to justify the mask mandates, when they could have just asked any expert in industrial masking about the efficacy of paper and cloth masks.

And then you have the lockdowns, all based on some computer model (i.e. GIGO). Ditto for the initial predictions of doom from the spread of covid, that never eventuated.

And vaccines, plenty of studies to show they are 100% safe and work to eliminate disease. Except the diseases they are supposed to prevent are still in circulation, and there are plenty of horror stories about vaccine injuries and deaths - even in the media. The fact that there has always been an anti-vaccination movement for the two hundred years that vaccines have existed, with a long string of people claiming injuries and deaths, should be enough information for anyone to conclude that vaccines have some serious problems and that all the studies behind vaccines are basically junk.

Too many people seem to think that some dodgy collection of studies are more valid than basic logic and real world practical experience, just because they come out of some prestigious institution.

Oh, that heavy foreboding. I know it well.
I have long felt that the next 2 years will be . . . dark.
It's feels risky to be hopeful.

On the subject of religion and mandates, I recall how, two years into the pandemic, my synagogue suddenly imposed a vexing mandate on children 12 and under. I don’t know who on the board or among the clergy wanted this policy, but I have my guesses. My daughter and I having just gotten sick with the coof, yet me having scheduled volunteering, I told them either my daughter gets an exemption or I will refuse to consider any requests for my time) until the policy is reversed. Didn’t take long before a few members quietly agreed with me and told me they thought the policy was unfortunate. (In Canada in the part where I live, people will complain privately but hardly ever speak up. As a result, bad policies often get unchallenged.)

As my important contribution was suddenly gone, and as I started going to another less restrictive synagogue in part to be seen and make a point, and also perhaps as generally speaking provincial restrictions started coming down rather rapidly following the truckers’ protests of Feb 2022, my synagogue’s mandates were dropped quite as suddenly as they were introduced. I like to think that I was part of the reason the board got their heads out of their behinds.

I have often regretted finding it hard to say no when asked to volunteer, but in this case it was particularly useful leverage.

May we all find supportive communities in difficult times.

I wrote here a couple of years ago about how my Quaker meeting had banned the unvaccinated (me!) from the main worship room. Instead, I could sit out in the "fellowship" room with all the windows open. In winter. Did it a couple times, then stopped going altogether. Except for the funerals. The separate but equal stuff ended sooner than I expected, (but only when experts on TV and NPR and in NY Times declared it was safe .)

I have decided to submit a formal letter of resignation, probably just a couple of lines, something to the effect of "I quit. We all know why, and this is simply acknowledging something that has already happened"

We are the small chihuahua trotting behind the big doberman.

a satellite. nothing more. nothing less.

we will fall in line.

the screws have not yet been turned on our 'elite.'

A couple of recent transcripts, one from 2021, the other from 2023— both belated surprises for me, and perhaps of some interest for those here:

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Sam Dodson Calls Out Dr. Candice Schaefer's Vax Promo Tweet Thread
"'What are your concerns about taking the vaccine?' Well, Candice, I am so glad you asked."
Transcript: https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/188280.html
Source video:
"How to talk to someone who is hesitant about vaccines by Dr. Candice Schaeffer"
To the Lifeboats, August 15, 2021
https://rumble.com/vl79pv-how-to-talk-to-someone-who-is-hesitant-about-vaccines-by-dr.-candice-schaff.html

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Nurse Deanna Kline, Author of Gasoline: Observations After New Covid Inoculations, in Layman's Terms
"Why is the truth about harm hidden? Why is there so much hate towards those who tell the truth in love for you and your children?... Dr. Martin Luther King said, there comes a time when the silence is betrayal."
Transcript: https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/187827.html
Source video:
"Deanna Kline - Lobby Day 2023"
Virginia Medical Freedom Alliance, posted January 25, 2023
https://rumble.com/v2754jw-deanna-kline-lobby-day-2023.html

Thanks for sharing this.

My experience in this regard has been mixed; mostly it felt like protesting to a 30 foot thick cement wall, but I think I did possibly make a difference in one US national conference that proposed to go Jab Crow in 2022. I don't know who else protested (at the time I didn't know anyone in the organization would had foregone the jabs), but when the conference was announced as vaxxed only, I emailed the president and organizing committee, calling them as bad as Stalin and Mao and what county did they think they were living in & etc., etc., and said that I would cancel my membership, good riddance, if they went through with such nonsense. In short order in-person conference was canceled, now made open to all, but on Zoom.

The people who imposed Jab Crow, they are on record now as having made complete fools of themselves, both intellectually and morally. And I'm glad I know who they are now, these people who would presume in their fear and their arrogance to exclude others from normal social, cultural, economic, intellectual, and even communal spiritual life, based on an experimental medical treatment. The jabs roll out was a frustrating and lonely time to live through, however I have much to be thankful for. Firstly, that I had the discernment to not take that crap in my body. Secondly, I got some additional lessons in character discernment— and for this, in all seriousness, I thank the Jab Crowers.

Your story underlines that if only a few people of standing and with leverage had spoken up, it would have collapsed, or at least become very difficult for the authorities.

It remains appalling that someone was so cowardly that, presumably vaxxed themselves, they still sought to push an experimental treatment on minors!

Disagreeing but not speaking up seems to be a universal human trait: I suspect we have all been there. It is one which the perpetrators of this crime rely on, as it reduces the need to use iron-fist coercion (which of course in this instance they were happy to do as well).

Keep going Transcriber B! These testimonies to the madness are valuable and help one get a broader grasp of th details what happened.

This is impossible unless one is informed as to what occurred in a range of countries and workplaces.

The malign force is still strong in Canada it seems, and I would say the same of the UK, but more low-key; but I fear the excited hopes of many Americans might be disappointed.

The hopeful light might prove to be just a kind of glamour cast over the same forces, giving them a more attractive 'good technocrats' appeal.

Trump and Musk may well prove to be false light-bringers: well, that's my intuition, and it got me through the early 2020's safely, and other dangerous times. I hope that I am wrong, of course.

To adopt an old proverb:

'New smiling riders, new jingling harness ornaments, but the same old saddle and bridle, and the same mule'.

Terrible story! One of the hardest things about our supposed return to normal, is that these family tragedies go unnoticed. Of course, they always do in the run of things, but this resulted from criminal policies and shameless lies.

A diabetic friend was likewise crippled by the Covid vaxxes: 28, beautiful good and kind, with a child of three - every medical authority she trusted lied, and so she ignored my warnings as implausible......

No,no forgiveness, not ever!

I recall reading ages ago about a preschool teacher who made cookies with real ingredients. No margarine, just real butter. She noticed they were calmer and more focused.

Keep in mind as well that our elections and inaugurations are on different schedules, and our foundation charts are radically different; these will tend to make the longer term trends quite different between the two countries.

I'm thinking a huge amount of it will turn out to be a result of the fake meat craze. It hit the right social classes, there are otherwise weird things that fall into place, and I still cannot shake the fact that the one time I tried the stuff it sent my psychic senses into overdrive, and I can't imagine anyone who denies such things are possible could handle that without going insane...

I can see a fair point here but even I could see the original comment looked to be dismissing all scientific 'studies' if there wasn't a clear and obvious outcome.

Einstein - gone.
Pasteur - gone.
Darwin - gone.
Wright Brothers are alright though 'cause even the little educated can understand what they're doing.

Maybe Pasteur should be gone?
Koch instead?

Funny how looking at this history you can start to see how we got in this pharma mess that now threatens like never before.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch%E2%80%93Pasteur_rivalry

I did the vegan thing for twelve years and tried every pseudo-meat under the sun. To my total astonishment, I feel much more normal, grounded, and mentally clear just eating simple food, unprocessed, including the good local meat when I can get it. My meditation teacher always had his students eat vegetarian during our courses on the grounds that meat is "astralizing," it prompts the astral body to impact more into the etheric which complicates some of the practices he taught. But we never ate mock meats or junk food of any kind, and he warned us to pay attention to how different foods affect our subtle bodies. Mostly we ate traditional Indian vegetarian food. Simple but tasty.

My sense of the fake meats is that they are even more astralizing than the real thing. Real food is highly complex, but it has an intelligence and order to it. The highly processed stuff is excessively complicated while also lacking balance and order. It's alien. It's also often saturated in toxic oils and additives. I remember finding it oddly addictive back in the day.

But, for what it's worth, I think dismantling the vegan dogma was a decent preparation for unhooking from other ideologies...

Andy T.

For anyone interested in my dogs cancer saga: she is doing ok and actually looks a bit better than she did a month ago when she was diagnosed with kidney cancer.

She is 4 years old, and has an aggressive cancer in her entire left kidney extending down her ureter to her bladder. She almost died at animal ER 3 weeks ago, I believe because her kidneys couldn’t handle the medications (antibiotics and pain meds). They sent her home with instructions to call when she’s ready for euthanasia.

We then took her home and stopped all kibble dog food made by large corporation (which has lots of rumors online of their food contributing to serious illness and death, presumably due to glyphosate). Also kibble has lots of starches in it which break down into sugars, and I’m reading that cancer needs glucose to grow so removing processed dog food may help for that reason too. But also it’s hard to imagine that any processed food can be that good for you, and that was the main bulk of her diet.

And she has been on fenbendazole for 3 weeks. It’s the only medication that she can tolerate without trouble and maybe it’s helping her! Thank you Temporary Reality for that tip. She still has discomfort, most likely nausea from poor kidney function, but she seems much happier, more energetic, walks/jogs 1-2 miles daily which is much better than when I brought her in and got her diagnosis.

According to the vet she is ‘defying the odds.’

Tamar

There is a ** sort of ** logic here, but it all hinges upon there BEING a vaccine that is highly effective. Do you know of one?

And then, it also hinges upon there being a vaccine that is BOTH highly effective AND safe enough to present a null risk of causing a healthy child to become ill. Do you know of one?

Otherwise we tacitly argue that it is acceptable to cause an illness in one child in order to prevent an illness in another, and this ethic argument exists even when the existence of such an effective and safe vaccine remains a chimera. (This argument is usually couched as "the benefits outweigh the harms", considered as a statistical matter weighed up in population, not in individual, terms.)

Perhaps, before we get dragged into an unwinnable argument over which child it is acceptable to sacrifice for which other child, let us actually find a candidate vaccine that can be universally recognised as being both safe enough to cause no risk of illness in a healthy child, and effective enough to prevent the spread of illness to others.

Dear Tamar, I'm so glad to hear this - whatever the outcome of this, she's happier and more energetic, what's not positive about that?! And heck, even I don't walk/jog 1-2 miles a day (though maybe I ought to), so she MUST be feeling spry. (and maybe I ought to get a dog, so I can put in those miles...lol)

Go Dog, Go! as they say ;)

It's not about living in a state of perpetual fear, but living in reality. Sooner or later the real deal is going to come along because we have a ton of immune compromised people that are incubators for deadly pathogens that can jump over into the unvaxxed population. I'm already catching second hand diseases from the constantly-sick and have learned to be more careful around them. Just wondering when the time arrives that I have to hunker down avoid people altogether.

My wife is a dog trainer and it's shocking how many of her clients animals died recently. On the bright side she was never into cooking but had to learn how it in order to prepare food for them, so now we all mostly eat the same stuff as they do. They are 12 yo and people think one of them is still under 6.

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