ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 168

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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What I see, the Murican Medical System doesn't really work anymore, right now. If it were to shutter up and go away, would anything change? I might claim that people's health might actually improve.

Nope. This is the bias of this forum speaking. The health of the generally active and productive population may improve without all the unnecessary interventions, but there's a non-negligible minority of very ill people that is being kept alive artificially. Whether you consider their deaths to be a positive or a negative is a different matter.
There is also another non-negligible minority that is being functional through modern medicine. While there might be better options from alt-healthcare practitioners (ahem), people has to know about us and trust us beforehand for that to be an option. So under this scenario, I do foresee a bunch of people going disabled in a very short span of time. It's harder to find any silver-lining there.

There is also a big difference between the medical system and individual doctors that function within that system. The system itself, as has been discussed here, is designed to output Drs that most of us wouldn't want assisting with our health but there are still many people who choose to be Drs because they actually believe in helping people and are aware enough to not just follow the 'experts'. Throwing out the whole medical system would just be a different kind of disaster. Now if you wanted to trash the whole payment system (especially insurers and all the other 'admin' associated with it) I am all in.

The western medical system has a lot of amazing abilities, especially around trauma care, that it would be great to save.

A somewhat amusing tale from Unbecoming's substack the other day along similar lines. He was interviewing an Australian politician:

13. Can you share a personal experience that has significantly influenced your views on health and medical freedom?
In the late 80’s, my grandmother was in an aged care facility. She had lost her sight and was going downhill over a period of months. Eventually the family was called and we were told that she will pass away soon, and they were taking her off all her medication that was keeping her alive. Within days she started to recover. She got her sight back, and health returned. It was then revealed that it was her medication that sent her blind and was killing her. That was an epiphany for me, in that I became wary of medication, which before hand I had accepted as lifesaving.

https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/interview-with-michael-oneill

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