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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 162

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules have been slightly modified:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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In last week's post towards the end of the cycle, I had brief exchange with another poster who told me that he suspects that a lot of doctors realize the Covid vaccines are just no good. I thought that might be a good jumping-off point for talking about how the Covid vaccines affected my professional relationship with both my previous and present doctors.

At my last appointment with my previous doctor before she was shuffled off by our local corporate healthcare provider to another clinic, she made the expected obligatory effort to get me to take this therapy, and I expressed my misgivings because the former brother-in-law of a co-worker died within 48 hours of receiving the second shot. She tried to impress on me the importance of getting the quaxxine nonetheless, and I could tell this was probably largely because of the corporate healthcare provider's efforts to impress upon their doctors that these shots were supposedly the greatest medical intervention since penicillin. This was in mid-2021. I promised her I would think about it, even though my mind was already thoroughly made up, but it probably didn't much matter as it was our last appointment.

Fast forward to mid-2022. My new doctor made what I thought was a surprisingly half-hearted attempt to get me to take the shots, and she did, I thought, resort to some gas-lighting to do so. But she didn't press the issue, and my conclusion was that this was because she figured out that anyone who didn't want the shots at that point after all the bullying and pressure campaigns very seriously didn't want it.

This post was from me, Mr. Nobody. I need to keep an eye out for when Dreamwidth randomly logs me out.

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I don't go to doctors unless I'm dying so I haven't had the opportunity. But in reports like this, I desperately WANT the next line to be:

"Do you get paid more if I say yes?"

and:

"Are you allowed to tell the truth or are you being monitored? Blink twice if you can't say it out loud."

I feel like we should treat all doctors, at this point, as though they are potentially in a hostage situation, and it's our job to figure out if they're willing participants or just trying to keep their jobs because they have med school debt to pay off.

"I feel like we should treat all doctors, at this point, as though they are potentially in a hostage situation..."

I love it! Also, I shall remember it! :)

If you ever try it, I want a full debriefing. :)

'Blink twice if you can't say it out loud.'

hahahahah. love it.

'Blink twice if you need me to call for backup.'
'What?'
'Just blink twice if necessary...'
'Excuse me, Mr. _______?'
'Callahan. Harry Callahan.'

I think that is a very good explanation as to why so many of them are in lockstep on this despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary.

Just my take on it is that it is no longer worth the risk of going to see a doctor anymore. Even if I had the money to pay for insurance, I don't think I should feed the beast of corporate medicine anyway. It struck me as too ironic to sell off the rest of my good years and likely my health at a job just to cover health insurance. Freedom is looking to have far more rewards and far fewer risks than we are being told. Gee, I wonder why?

re: "it is no longer worth the risk of going to see a doctor anymore."

My take exactly. It took a lot to get me to this point. A lot. In case anyone was wondering, I am an older person.

Yes, my thoughts exactly.

It also strikes me that the "sell" for insurance is exactly the same as the "sell" for vaccines.

"Stay safe, be protected, THINK of all the risks out there. THINK HARD about all the terrible times you might have, and then let this PRODUCT give you peace of mind."

The world IS risky, but can we live well, while letting the world be its (sometimes) risky self?

That is a question to ponder, and when we discovered we could, it was very liberating.

I'm more inclined to treat doctors as though I'm in a hostage situation, and it's my job to get out of there by any means possible.

Even more so if you have kids! With schools and their mandatory waxxines, it's your children that are being held hostage. It's horrible.

And people wonder why nobody wants to have kids anymore.

LOL, yeah. This is why if I ever had to go to the hospital for something like a broken leg, I would lie like the dickens, and say I'd had my jabs. I'm perfectly fine with lying when it might save my life.

- Older Person

Back when I still “did doctors” 10 or 15 years ago, during a yearly physical my doctor reviewed my bloodwork printout and suggested “Perhaps we should start you on statins to bring your cholesterol numbers down.” As an athlete and low-BMI individual who had read up on the negative effects of statins, I replied with a firm “No.” He seemed fine with that, and not surprised by my response. Even at the time, it felt like he had read his proposal from a script he didn’t believe in. Wish I’d known then about the “blink twice” suggestion!

I don't understand. If it is clear that the doctors are lying (which is what gaslighting is), why go? These are people who are actively trying to hurt you... I just don't get it.

1) your employer requires it.
Some jobs have mandatory health standards for their employees (eg pilots). Annual checkups, surveys and tests.

2) learn from my naivete, people, if this might be relevant to you. A few years ago I broke a bone and applied for a temporary parking permit so I would not have to walk for blocks on crutches when friends drove me somewhere.

Once recovered I discovered I had to submit a bill-of-health survey to the roads authority in order to be able to keep my own driver's licence (which had never been revoked anyway). BUT in that survey were questions on all sorts of other conditions unrelated to the injury and stupidly I answered them honestly. There are two lifelong conditions, that never had an effect on my clean driving record, which have flagged me to require a doctor's clearance annually ever since or lose my licence. I have a choice: go to the doctor or not be able to drive legally. That is not practical in my circumstances.

Circumspection would have been very beneficial there.

- iridescent scintillating elver

To all those who responded with rationale for going to the doctor -- got it!
Fwiw, a close relative of mine is a pilot. He and all his co-workers have one specific doctor that they go to, even if they have to drive an hour to get to the doctor. This reminds me of a former co-worker who drove her dogs to a vet 90 minutes away because that was the only vet who would give heartworm prevention medicine (ivermectin + some other stuff) without doing the $100+ each heartworm test on her two dogs. She had always used the medication, no need for the test... but vets around here won't give it without the test. This was before I found out that farm stores sell the stuff without a vet's prescription...

Anyway, long story short, I guess my question is not so much why go to the doctor as why go to that doctor? But I get that it may not be possible to drive long distances, may not be possible to go to someone outside insurance, etc. What is really happening is my frustration is showing. Close relatives of mine who believed in the medical cartel went to doctors who either actively killed them or helped the process along -- while applying maximum pain and suffering. My angst is showing. I wish all who responded the best and maximum protection as they deal with doctors.

I drive an hour and a half each way to my "red pilled" acupuncturist. I pay cash. Insurance-taking doctors, like the ones I used to trust in their pre-spikeshot-pushing days, they're about as appealing to me as Beelzebub in a suit of putrid fish flakes.

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Thank you for this, iridescent scintillating elver. I appreciate the reminder: the less I tell the government the better, and to keep my medical history to myself to the utmost degree possible. My previous pre-2020 self would have viewed my current self as all get-out paranoid about offering any of my medical history to doctors and/or to the government. But, Holy Toledo, it's 2024.

On this note, I would love to be able to take my dog with me to more places and when I've said so in casual conversation, more than once I've had people tell me, why don't you get a certification for your dog as a therapy dog? It's easy to do, apparently, there are doctors who, for their fee, will issue the docs for a therapy pet like candy. And furry cutie pie gets a special therapy pet halter and can come into restaurants and public transport and such. But guess what, then it's on your permanent record that you have a challenge that requires a therapy pet. No thanks.

CHICKEN SOUP FLOGGER

I am a type 2 diabetic. Untreated type 2 diabetes leads to a lingering, unpleasant eventual death. And I'm not interested in reading the usual slurry of ignorant and mental-illness-tinged responses one can generally count on garnering when one mentions type 2 diabetes on pretty much any unmoderated Internet forum.

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Mr Nobody1967,
Many blessings on you, if you will have them.

Your health is your own, and it is nobody's business how you manage. Full stop, end of sentence.

That said, I am thankful to hear everything shared here. It keeps a person lively, to hear many points of view!

Be well, stay free! :)

FWIW there was a discussion about diabetes many months ago with the lady poster Methylated(?).

My wife knew she had a potential diabetes issue from company-paid checkups for many years... she tried to control it with diet and exercise, yet a year ago she was confirmed as full-on T2 diabetic and put on metformin 2X a day. At that point, I got involved and slowly tweaked her supplementation.. cycled off metformin after 3 months.. and started to reduce the amount of supplements as internal metabolic dysfunction was resolved. So just this past week, her blood sugar readings were in the 5.5 to 5.9 range (normal 4-7), so can safely declare that we pretty much reversed it.

If you're interested we should take the discussion offline as I would need to know more details before working out a possible protocol for you.

Yes, in my country, most healthcare professionals now either actively avoid discussion of the topic of the vaccines, certainly do not force them on people, and an increasing few will say (never in writing) that they don't really stack up.

Flus are hitting worse this year than covid anyway.

I am fortunate in having encountered several health professionals who were willing to express overt covid vaccine scepticism with me.

One was a respected allergist who I consulted after I had an immediate allergic reaction to first Moderna shot in 2021. He advised me to avoid all future mRNA vaccines, and get the J&J covid vaccine if I wished or needed to have "fully vaccinated" status re covid (during a time when this was considered important).

He also said that evaluation of hydoxychloriquine treatment for covid was faulty, because it was tested on late stage patients, which had poor results, and was then dismissed by the mainstream. It should have been tested as an early stage treatment in his opinion, where front line clinical results had shown efficacy.

More recently, my neuro Nurse Practioner told me that she will no longer get covid boosters because of the vaccine side effects she has seen in her patients.

I am grateful to have encountered these professionals, and as I need to have access to mainstream care for neuro & immune issues, they are helpful & supportive resources.

La Petite

Thank you for sharing this, La Petite, this is encouraging.

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