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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 162

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules have been slightly modified:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Moderna Scales Back Its Vaccine Ambitions as COVID Jab Revenue Collapses

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/moderna-scales-back-its-vaccine-ambitions-as-covid/

ecosophia. My neighbor (next hill over) prepares SeNiCidEm. Herbal tonics, tinctures remedies and oils, SWITCHEL and Fire cider. I always keep several bottles her Fire cider on hand and share a bottle with my better half when the (gods) put such thoughts in my human mind. For being unaware of our existence, gods do seem like suggestive creatures, don't they? Here now are the ingredients of my apothecarist's Fire Cider:

Raw Apple Cider vinegar, horseradish, ginger, onion, turmeric, garlic, lemon juice/zest, jalapeno, habanero, cayenne, astragalus, rosehips, black peppercorns, burdock, yellowdock, dandelion roots, poblano peppers, nettle, oregano, lemonbalm, holy basil, mullein leaf/flower, parsley, thyme, sage, rosemary, raw honey, and I believe just a pinch of hippie magic.

Does the body good!
Black Tuna and Hand

In my own reflections on the subject of my experience I have to firstly fall back on the statements of dr. Matthias Desmet, who said that there is nothing special about the people who fall into the resisting group. It is just that for a given subject individuals have a some kink in their thinking that prevents them from going with the flow.

1. For me it was my experience with my country’s handling of the bird flu decades ago. And a certain comment from an acquaintance after he got through the bird flu: “If every flu was as mild as mild as the bird flu [he] would be glad!”
So my immediate reaction was to question if this was another bird flu. My propensity for mathematics let me interpret the initial statistics and there it was. Every reaction, reflection, assessment from that point on was made with a certain scepticism.

2. That was the mind, but the real battle was with the will. I took a beating financially, legally and socially. Quite a bit of it. But I struck trough because if this guy. On some podcast someone joked he was Gandalf the green 😂. But seriously:
a) every time I felt week I told myself: “the wisest person I know gave [you] a warning. What will you do?”
b) some years before I started doing some spiritual practices and in those times they came trough. I got a couple of the strongest intuitions about holding on. And well, they hit like a truck. And where did I get those practices from? This guy.

On reviewing my comment; there might not be a pattern regarding the susceptibility, but there might be a pattern regarding the will. (😉to the screener)

Best regards,
V

To me the question is not whether viruses exist. Of course they exist. Bacteria exist, and so do a gazillion other critters, and also we exist. But what are they, do we have any idea what they might actually be doing in bodies that are sick, versus bodies that are healthy? Do we have any ideas that involve befriending, or at least, respecting the tasks they have undertaken for themselves?

To me the question is whether you can take a whole concept of "clinical disease" OUT, and slot IN "virus" as a fully explanatory replacement. This is what has happened in medicine, where doctors used to "name" diseases after characteristic clinical pictures built up from signs and symptoms. It is only lately that we have substituted naming the "critter" (which sometimes we find with a test, but just as often we fail to find), AS IF it is a sufficient substitute for naming a clinical disease.

In the same way the ecological question would be whether you could take the whole concept of "disrupted ecological web" OUT, and slot IN "weed" or "pest" or "invasive species" as if that were a fully explanatory replacement.

Actually we are often discovering that "weeds", "pests" and "invasive species" are part of an ecology's healing process, and that a simple kill-the-critter approach is simply never going to restore health to the ecology as a whole. Still, there are whole industries catering to people's fear and loathing of "weeds", "pests" and "invasive species" with poisons and other "kill the critter" methods.

In the same way, might we someday discover that viruses and bacteria are playing "healing" roles in the context of a disrupted physiological ecology, that, like the soil, our bodies "call out" for the ministrations of specific viruses and bacteria, and that our simple kill-the-critter approaches will never restore full health to us, either?

These are possibilities worth pondering, are they not?

Thank you for these, Robert! :)

Complex indeed. :)

(And despite my long-winded replies elsewhere, we mostly agree, I think).

Be well, stay free.

Scotlyn

The kind of people who can jump through all the hoops required, I call them "box checkers". I saw a lot of them in my youth, doing their dead level best to make it into the Ivy Leagues, but it applies just as well to lower tier medical school. Not just doctors either. Ted Cruz is a poster boy for the "box checker" type. Hardworking, diligent, attentive to detail, and given well defined goals, will accomplish them. Question of when, not if.

Not the kind of person who does well though when dealing with unusual or unexpected events, where improvisation is required. Bad at diagnosis, where part of figuring out what is going wrong, is to use your intuition. These are specialists, not generalists, tend to have a narrow view of things, seeing only the trees and not the forest. There are a fraction of people who make it to the Ivy League levels who have good general intelligence, but they are a minority, IMHO.

Bottom line, those kind of people are easy to manipulate and control. Do not trust them too much, especially in this era. They are not your friends. Treat them the same way you'd treat the HVAC guy, read reviews and if it looks like he isn't working out, fire him and replace him with someone who will.

Medical system is collapsing anyway (along with everything else it seems). Get used to DIY.

It always mystified me how people could take the blood and treasure to have and raise kids, only to neglect them and let other entities abuse them. Not just kids either. People will spend good money to buy a car and then proceed to systematically neglect its maintenance. Some aspects of humanity, I will never understand.

Yes, I have been experiencing this on and off for some 10+ years. I mentioned it at one time when it was particularly acute to a "naturopathic" GP, early in 2021, who had little clue what it might have been (fortunately she didn't resort to everyone's favourite explanation for anything they can't otherwise explain, ie menopause.) She mentioned low yin and suggested Siberian ginseng.

It recurs now and then, usually involving worse than usual inability to sleep and also intolerance of food.

The "depleted" yin would be related to ongoing issues with individual energetic balance and I suppose would constitute part of a sensitive type's susceptibilities in Fischer's terminology.

Places where I have read interesting commentary on this type of phenomenon include John Bowlby's biography of Charles Darwin, and the blog post mentioned a week or two ago on MM regarding kundalini psychosis.

I'm not particularly occult, Mr Fritter and I am going to make an admission here. Up until maybe May 2020 I was happy to 'lockdown', for us to rush develop vixens and the rest of it. I was scared from first reports in Jan and was following Chris Martinson's reports daily. I couldn't understand why we were still allowing flights from China into Europe and the US. But as the months rolled on and news trickled out that covid was not as bad as initially feared, it was not particularly serious for the vast majority and could be managed with cheap repurposed drugs etc. - well, that was when I started questioning. And the vixens - I read this quite early on, https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616, and thought this path of barely tested injectables is likely a disaster. Oh, and the other info. that came out was the infectious disease modelling that lockdowns etc. were justified from were inaccurate and certainly in the UK, overblown.
My path to scepticism of a lot of the narrative was not straight from the start but certainly became clearer. Oh yeah, and learning this virus is overwhelmingly likely a lab fiddled one really did p me off on that path too - it does explain some of the over-reaction from 'authorities' though. And I think we're working out that attempts to stuff this 'darkness' released back into Pandora's box (or urn) is not going to work.

Edited (Clarity) 2024-09-14 11:56 (UTC)

To be bleak, you'd have to say the Ukrainians are definitely not immune to mass idiocy and they're Slavs.

Surely "public health" is an oxymoron at this point.

Some significant proportion of people have selected slow motion, pharma-assisted suicide as their life path, in support of Medical Industrial System profit$.

At this late stage of 'Western Civilisation' (sic), adherence to the official narrative, no matter how insane it is, is the primary directive.

So many examples to choose from, but US military misadventure is a poster boy. "Correct use of pronouns increases force lethality".

Houthis 1 vs NATO Navy led by the US Nil. Relative budgets: NATO Navy spend at least 500x of the Houthis.

Hawkwind: Orgone Acumulator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhWArBhPWu0

Oh boy, those were the early, glory days of headbanging.

As the spiritual energetic condition has been considered on-topic here in the past, I give you this latest tidbit from Egon Fischer's substack:

The energy situation in the USA and the UK is getting worse by the week. The dark energy clouds are getting darker and darker, the lightning is getting stronger and stronger and the first flashes are already reaching the 3D level. If the trend continues, the energy will have a full impact on the 3D level in the next few months, which would be quite trendy.

I interpret this as meaning that the Black Oobleck that has been accumulating and congealing on the Lower Astral Plane for the past nine or more years may be about to start unavoidably spilling over into everyday physical reality. I quite frankly find it amazing that it took this long for that to happen. In this most recent substack, he also volunteers that the collapse of the West's complex systems will either be complete or far well underway about two years from now.

On a personal level, it does feel as though something is poking at my anxiety disorder more than usual and in a way that just feels...weird.

Edited 2024-09-14 12:12 (UTC)

My considered response is bollox to COVID (never been tested), masks, all jabs and the medical system in general.

Having said that, the system in Australia is good at fixing up mechanical stuff, accidents etc.

Barbara O'Neill is worth checking out: https://www.selfhealbydesign.com/ She's been persecuted, which is always a good sign.

Her book "Self heal by design" is a must read.

Vinegar, hot peppers, ginger, garlic - you know that's the basic recipe for hot sauce. Well, maybe not the ginger. But I bet there is a hot sauce out there that has all those ingredients in one convenient bottle.

Thank you for this! I'd all but forgotten about Hawkwind, which is embarrassing, because I used to be a serious Michael Moorcock fan -- yes, I had a copy of his tribute novel to the band, The Time of the Hawklords. I now know what recordings I'm going to start looking for next. ;-)

WHO Approves First Mpox Vaccine for Adults in Africa — Then Says Babies Can Get It, Too, Despite No Clinical Trials

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/who-africa-mpox-vaccine-adults-no-trials-babies-pregnant-women/

Yes, this is partly what I think. It is obvious that people think about and make their important decisions in different though characteristic ways - though boundaries are obviously fuzzy and different people like different systems and causation is problematic.

Nonetheless, I think that it was decision-making type overlaying pre-existing levels of abusive trauma that was determinative. This isn't that helpful in terms of immunising societies in the future because I think sufficient trauma was the necessary first step and it would be extremely problematic to deliberately replicate it. However, a silver lining is that per this theory, governmental abuse is inherently self limiting (eventually) because the trauma it produces kickstarts the removal of consent-of-the-governed. And thus, the substantial decline in acceptance of each booster shot. Also, see 4th Turning type theories etc.

I think the trauma could be suffered on a country, group or indiviual level and come from war, interpersonal abuse and abuse by authority figures. It could be inter-generational and maybe past-life related. It also included things like severe school based bullying, systemic gaslighting around previous bad medical outcomes, and the (sometimes unintentionally) abusive effects of societies trying to hammer square misfits into round holes. In my view, abuse trauma = experience with recognising gaslighting and reduction in generalised trust levels. I would also think that early trauma may somewhat increase the normally very small percentage of socially detached, highly truth valuing type thinkers (in the Myers-Briggs sense) who are then further resistant to propaganda and psychological warfare. However, a further wrinkle is that some people respond to abuse trauma by becoming less compliant, more supicious. Others become much more compliant, always subconciously seeking to appease potential abusers.

My theory: rich western countries are high trust societies with mostly low trauma. Citizens of these countries generally reflexively follow the instructions of authority figures if these instructions have at least superficial broad social consensus - it's a heuristic. The only people who will not reflexively follow are the small numbers of previously abused groups and individuals, and only those who got pushed towards a non-compliant trauma response. These people during covid were the only ones who made active choices, in my view.

Even then, many still actively chose to vaccinate due to their decision making method/values matrix - so the people who base decisions on various types of social information that were so polluted by the propaganda campaigns, people who process ideas and information through discussion (dysfunctional due to propaganda and lockdowns), people who placed their highest values on family ties, continuing a helping calling, social harmony, social order, income, social experiences and/or social status and could not risk losing these -they all vaccinated, some reluctantly, some convinced by the propaganda, some in denial.

A few marginalised/abused groups were big enough for the group to socially support its members against the propaganda and psychological warfare. Outside that, pretty much the only ones left were the small percentage of previously abused, non-compliant, mostly-introverted, thinking-perceiving and thinking-judging types (using the Myer-Briggs typology).

I think the situation was different outside these types of countries - in poorer, low-trust societies and polarised countries like the US. I think there were much, much larger groups of people who had experienced abusive trauma in these societies. So, much less reflexive obedience and in some societies none. So, it was harder for the propagandists to pollute all the social information sources in these countries, harder to stop the extraverts talking and much harder for the psychological warfare to mobilise the social consensus required to credibly threaten the full breadth of things the different types of thinkers value most across every social group. And so, even initial vaccination rates were much lower and very uneven between diffent social groupings.

Right back at you:)

Seems to be linked to current solar maximum of Solar Logos. Northern lights that aren't so northern etc.

Over at Mark Crispin Miller's Substack, for three weeks running, they've kept a separate tally of nurses in the United States who've died:

https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/32-nurses-died-suddenly-in-us-this-past-week-19-pro-wrestlers-dropped-dead-this-year

This is on top of their normal weekly counts. 101 nurses have bit the dust in the past three weeks. Oh, and seven young football players died in Alabama, in August alone:

https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/36-nurses-died-suddenly-august-26

Thanks for the tips and sharing your experiences with various doses. I remember seeing a clip by dr Schultz who joked that when he had a clinic and treated people with herbal extracts, he tried to kill his patients with high doses but never succeeded.

I have a blood pressure monitor, but a blood sugar testing kit seems like an useful and inexpensive addition.

Yup, I recognize this too in the past week. In my case it usually coincides with inner emotional turbulence.

I have two questions about dental issues. The increase in dental issues since the jab was discussed here in the past but not so much lately.

1. If one has an infection inside a tooth, usually only root-canal treatment or extraction are considered. Does anyone know an alternative or have an anecdote of succes via a different approach?
(Of course I'm not looking for medical advice but ideas can be interesting to discus with a licenced dentist)

2. In the past we had a thread where oil pulling and re-mineralising of teeth (with a link to YT) were discussed. I cannot find the thread unfortunately. Has anybody the link or info?

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