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Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 162

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; ~~public health authorities~~ government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules have been slightly modified:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you plan on making off topic comments, please go away. This is an open post for discussion of the Covid epidemic, the vaccines, drugs, policies, and other measures that supposedly treat it, and other topics directly relevant to those things. It is not a place for general discussion of unrelated topics. Nor is it a place to ask for medical advice; giving such advice, unless you're a licensed health care provider, legally counts as practicing medicine without a license and is a crime in the US. Don't even go there.

5. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

Please also note that nothing posted here should be construed as medical advice, which neither I nor the commentariat (excepting those who are licensed medical providers) are qualified to give. Please take your medical questions to the licensed professional provider of your choice.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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Hi Fritter,

I was skeptical because what I was seeing didn’t jibe with what we were being told. If Covid was as deadly as we were told, you wouldn’t have been able to get to the post office for all the ambulances and funerals clogging the streets. And then, even if the vaccine had been tested, it wouldn’t have helped. Covid is a coronavirus, like the common cold. They mutate too fast for vaccines to be feasible. (I recommend that everyone read Spillover, by David Quammen.)

I really hope the main cause of the fiasco was greed. It’s frightening to think that our rulers know less about public health than does a kitten in the Midwest.

—Princess Cutekitten

Houston’s largest school district sent out a letter urging students to get vaccinated based on increased C0VID in the wastewater.

https://nitter.poast.org/MdBreathe/status/1833894738954514705#m

letter is shown in the post

I have a very close friend I thought I had lost to this insanity. I wrote about it here early this summer.

https://ecosophia.dreamwidth.org/284505.html?thread=49357657#cmt49357657

So we spoke last week, good long conversation. Dug deep like only old friends can. When we came to the subject of 'died suddenly' I addressed the elephant in the room. My friend was not fazed. I think before this, he would have waved me away. Death has a funny way of changing people, at least those willing to think. Mentioned Ed Dowd and 'Cause Unknown.' Doubt my friend will run out and buy it, but he listened intently. That's enough for me.

Not all of us unbelievers caught on right away. At first I pretty much went along with the narrative. I was frightened by threat of a virus. It took me a few months, almost a year to spot the giant gaping holes in its logic.

First it occurred to me that making people including the elderly stand outside in line in the rain and cold before letting them into a grocery store in order to protect their health didn’t make sense.

Then I learned about those paper masks that when you bought some it said right on the box “these masks do not prevent transmission of viral infections,” or words to that effect. That and seeing people driving alone with a mask on underscored the irrationality of forcing people to wear them.

I never believed in the silver bullet solution of a vaccine. It seemed too facile, too much of a foregone conclusion. Why couldn’t they explore any alternatives?

But what really clued me in to what was happening was the way the authorities and true believers behaved when the vaccines began to become available. The coercion, the name calling, the character assassination, the gaslighting, the censorship and suppression of not only alternative information but alternative treatments - when I saw these, I realized what a monster had been created.

So while people like Peter Deusberg and John Rappoport surely knew exactly what was unfolding before it really got started, it took me quite a while to work it all out.

A couple months ago, I was doing an easy run in the forest. Many thoughts percolate through my head at such times, some planning, some meditative, reflective, I just go with the flow. Anyways, there was a short segment on orgone generators discussed on here many months back, where someone said that he was able to identify a fellow 'conspiracy theorist' by talking about how they should build their own orgone generator. That whole discussion just popped into my head, and I mentally agreed - yes, it's time to get off my ass and see if I can do it myself, or first try the 'lazy' route and see if I can procure one through Aliexpress.

Couple weeks later I finally made the purchase and it arrived about in a week. I've kept this particular one under/next to my pillow at all times, the A34 piece from: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006003677901.html

I call it the Tree of Life pyramid... and it has substantially improved my sleep quality. The others I sampled and gave to my kids, they said they think it's helping them though not as dramatic as for me. So with that trial done, I bought a few more of the A34, and a A33... and finally got my wife to try it for herself last week. By this time, my wife just grumbles a bit when I seemingly come up with more 'kooky' ideas .. and the next day she told me - heck, that was the best sleep she's had, and she thought she normally sleeps well.

I do not guarantee any change in wealth / happiness etc, but that particular configuration (A34) seems to enable deeper and more restful sleep... more vivid dreams too. Another friend bought from a cheaper vendor and the pyramid was clouded (aka factory reject that got resold). I believe this is still cheap enough for most people, though not sure what the shipping cost will be to the west. If people can sleep better, their health will get better. It cost me less than $3 when I bought it during a 'sale' period, and now I'm thinking how I can bring it along without damaging it when I have to travel.

If it works well for other folks, kindly report back in another month or so? I believe we will need all the 'aids' we can get, in one form or another in the current quickening period... so I've also bought bigger pyramids to put around the house and the workspaces where we most often congregate. Can't hurt anyways.

Uranus in the 1st house as well, and its the best or second most dignified planet in my chart to boot. I remember JMG mentioning his Uranus in the 1st too, perhaps an angular, rulership, exalted, or amply aspected one could explain this tendency. Luminaries or many planets in Aquarius could also plausibly do it, though multiple friends have three of those and still got the shot, so its not a hard and fast rule.

Yes I believe experience of previous gaslighting, and that would include experiences both in this and in other lifetimes, must be an important factor.

I think also that being in touch with and--I would underline the word "and"— respecting one's own intuition / gut sense had much to do with rejecting the jabs.

Finally, I would also think that the ability to distinguish one's own thoughts from spiritual guidance, and also being able to distinguish spiritual guidance as coming from a higher rather than a lower level, are also crucial.

It seems to me that many people do not have a clue that they do in fact get thoughts popping into their minds that are not their own. Our culture labels that mental illness-- but I don't think so, I think it's a reality; we all connect in some way to the astral plane. It's a wild and busy place. But some people attract and allow more into their minds than others, and some are more savvy (or naive) about what they attract and what they allow.

Many people on this forum reported hearing voices in their minds encouraging them to take the jabs. Where exactly such voices were coming from I am not sure. I did not hear them.

Self-described Psychic Medium

However, if it was just fraud, wouldn't it have been easier and more profitable to just push saline solution with a few simple cheap feel-good chemicals in it? I mean, if the goal is to get as much money from the suckers as possible, you'd kind of want it to be safe and ineffective but acts like it is effective. At least for a short while. Sort of like those Goody's powders, which are a real scam, if you ask me. That would've been the ideal pharma-quack model to base the "vaccines" off of.

That's not what we got is it? It's dangerous and ineffective. Very dangerous. To use the Goody's powder analogy, they spiked it with cocaine and methamphetamine and whatever experimental chemicals they had on hand. Maybe it is just arrogance at play but there may be more sinister motivations as well. Us peasants may never know though.

If you're deep in debt, and you need that medical license to swing the payments, someone uses the threat of taking that medical license away, tell me you wouldn't be like Michigan J Frog singing "Hello my honey, hello my baby, hello my ragtime gaaaal", if they ordered you to.

While the topic of subjective minds is up, let me mention that that image appeals to me quite a lot (visuals only, thanks, no olfactory necessary :)

- iridescent scintillating elver

It’s a good question

frittermywig. Even after all this time I still find myself an outlier in my views about the events of the last few years, which have been largely accepted and memory-holed by so many other people around me.

There isn’t a day that passes that I don’t ponder what the hell happened in 2020. However, I am starting to accept that I may never work out what it was all about. There are other mysteries to me too, such as the one whose commemoration date was yesterday.

As for your question, it happened that three of my closest friends, independently of me, came to the same conclusion about rejecting the pharmaceutical interventions that our governments so considerately offered to us.

We’re very different people but the one thing I think we all had in common was that when the events of 2020 hit us we were all somewhat already at odds with the society we lived in and still processing various traumas from earlier parts of our lives. None of us felt particularly happy or fulfilled at that point when the global sniffles struck.

Those people I know who did seem happy with their lives were more willing to believe that the government was acting in their interests and some of them even seemed to think that lockdown etc. was a merry jape. I remember one friend telling me enthusiastically how he had gone to an quackcination centre at close of day to ask them if they had any spare shots so he could get his early!

So, in short, myself and my refusenik friends were all a bit unhappy and feeling stuck at the time, had all experienced some kind of unresolved trauma and – we are probably all a wee bit “difficult”, if truth be told.

One final data point that may be more related to your subjective mind hypothesis – I notice that several of the bloggers, podcasters etc who were already on my radar at the time – such as Gordon White in Australia and of course our esteemed host here - also placed themselves in the questioning camp early on.

Even though I had not met them in person, I had unknowingly and fortuitously assembled, some years prior to the event, a small group of thinkers who would help me feel I was not alone and enabled me to solidify my own suspicions that something was far from right with the whole covid business.

Thanks for all your thoughtful replies. I will give more consideration to role of astrology, and to what extent the sense of being a minority was exaggerated by the media. Overall, I guess we still have no Unified Field Theory of Covid-Narrative-Resistance. Since the beginning, we've had lots of unique stories with seemingly little common ground.

I feel like a having unifying theory is important, because it might help answer some pressing questions: Are the Covid-skeptics reliable-- that is, will we have the correct intuitions when the next crisis emerges? Do the Covid-skeptics have some knowledge, attribute or behavior that could be shared with or taught to the herd-driven Covid-enthusiasts?

Or even: Was our skepticism just a grace (Grace?) given but unearned? Is humble gratitude the right response (even if it's a grace that has come with painful costs)? Is this grace a call to renew whatever ministries of service and lovingkindness we have before us? I'll be grappling with these questions for the rest of my life, it seems.

I don't think I can offer much about the subjective herd mind in this case as over the years it's effect on me seems to have lessened.

As I think about my own experience with the pandemic the thing that struck me most was the speed of the introduction of the vax. I couldn't understand how they could have tested it thoroughly in so short a time. Then, even thought the media was talking about the streets full of dead people, it just wasn't visible to me. Where were all these dead people?

I also had witnessed injuries done to people by doctors in the name of "best practice" when the prescribed drugs were totally unnecessary.

By now I had been working on finding alternatives that I shared with my family and it was almost universally pooh-poohed as not "scientific" and of course the testing and been sufficient and on and on. In one conversation with my youngest sister she told me that her sense of dread and anxiety had been relieved by getting the vax. I had an epiphany moment where I realized that the vax was not a vaccine as I understood them, but an anti-anxiety drug and that those who took them did so because they wanted relief from their anxiety.

Perhaps one characteristic of those who didn't get the vax or go along with the heard is a willingness to bear their own anxiety for a bit before making a decision of what to do.

Hi. For those who had comments on my comment from last week, I just wanted to announce that I canceled the colonoscopy appointment. With other screening options available, I thought it would be wise at the moment.
My bloodwork came back good for the most part. High bad cholesterol and low good cholesterol, but I don't trust what the medical establishment has to say about that substance, and my other numbers showed I was not at risk... plus I like Hawthorn for the blood and heart.

This is not medical advice - and I was not looking for any. Just wanted to share. I appreciate the different viewpoints and the commentary here. Thanks.

I had an odd dream just before waking this morning. In it, I was searching for a recipe for fire cider, while very dark, billowing clouds were gathering overhead and thunder rumbled in the distance. When I woke from it I wrote it down, as I do these days, and a little later in the morning did some dreamwork with it and got a very strong sense that this autumn and winter may be very bad in terms of respiratory illness, and fire cider might be useful for prevention and treatment.

Fire cider? It's a modification of an old folk remedy, introduced by herbalist Rosemary Gladstar about the time I stopped playing with toy trucks. It's made from unfiltered apple cider, honey, and hot spices -- ginger, garlic, peppers, you name it. A tablespoon a day, straight or in water, is traditionally held to ward of colds and other respiratory ailments. One popular recipe is here:

https://www.almanac.com/how-make-fire-cider

Of course this should not be taken as medical advice and no claim is made for any capacity to treat, cure, or heal any illness. But I thought folks here might want to know.

I believe the greed portion of this comes in the sense that they thought they were setting up a future platform for all MRNA vaccines that would work more like computer software updates than traditional vaccines and thus the only cost incurred would be to "update" the rna strands rather than invest researching eachnew pathogen. So there was short term greed in trying to push on everyone now and long term greed by trying to experiment with a new platform of vaccines that would be more "cost-effective ".

It might work if you are looking to shortcut ways on manufacturing boots, construction materials, even food products (at least where the downsides of such cheap products can be written off to the larger populaces' poor choices) but when it comes to molecular data and the blueprint of physical life... it's best not to take shortcuts.

This is fascinating! I also often find that my thoughts are best when i'm doing something that involves a continuous flowing motion such as running, walking, painting, or playing music. My deepest insights outside of meditation often come from those moments.

Please keep us updated or at the very least...myself! I've taken these last few years to really throw myself in those things that I've wanted to do myself or see other people do and take it upon as an experiment...waiting for others or myself was getting weary. :)

Thank you for this! I was pondering making a batch. Decision made! 😊

Valerie

"...conned into getting an annual booster"

I suspect this is from the same mindset that has created the somewhat Schwab-like 'Software-as-a-Service' SaaS™ model: https://www.gartner.com/smarterwithgartner/moving-to-a-software-subscription-model

That these mRNA injectables are looking downright dangerous probably just doesn't compute when there are punters to perpetually profit from.

We speak of arrogance and greed, but given mention of Fauci and his ilk, how about a vote for vanity or 'vanagloria' too.

I bet you could make a soda out of that

Fascinating dream, John. That's interesting, as I used to do the Apple Cider Vinegar thing for awhile under the influence of reading books by the Bragg's. They are kind of hokie in a way, but I liked their books, and was thinking I should maybe add that into my regimen again. Anyway, FWIW, I know people have been talking about uptick in Covid here and there on this forum, but last night on a weekly 220 Mhz net I get on, before the net some guys from KY were talking about an uptick of covid deaths in the state recently. I do a very precursory internet search on that this morning, but couldn't find anything specific. I don't know where the stats were coming from. In any case, as the weather has turned towards fall in these parts, I was thinking if that trend would continue. Lots of mask wearing happening again too.

I think I might like some firecider with a splash of horseradish myself.

JPM

That has more to do with how few doctors there are that have the FAA blessing to give out medical certificates than whether or not they like or trust the doctor in question. And in most cases because it's kind of a pain to get to the medical examiner, he tends not to be your primary doctor, if you have one at all.

And if you're an airline pilot, they can only go to extra-specially-blessed doctors for their extra-special exams (there's technical jargon here I'm translating for you). So, yeah, he's driving an hour each way because he has no choice in the matter.

I still think that part of it was the Shadow of Polio and the success they had with that. They were gambling that, if it worked, they'd have a newer way to create "protections against diseases" and a thankful public placing them as The Apex of Society™️ to boot.

–Donald C. Hargraves

I heard from my cousins in Spain that their doctor said, when the vaxxes first appeared: 'I'm not allowed to say anything against them, but you do know that they are not really vaccines, don't you?' And left it at that.

Apparently, this doctor is rather unorthodox and by no means a pill-pusher, actually attracting complaints from patients for recommending changes in diet, herbs, good sleep and exercise, etc, rather than sending them home with a bag-full of pills.

We talked a few weeks ago about how covid is damaging people's immune systems; I think most people want to believe that it's a problem for those who took the gene therapy shots only, but it looks to me as if it's a problem for anyone who has had covid (which is of course most people now). The World Health Network wrote about this recently:

"SARS-CoV-2 triggers a new airborne form of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (13, 14, 15) (some are proposing specific terms such as “CoV-AIDS”).

This is not AIDS as we know it from human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection, it is a new type of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome with different deleterious effects on immune function (16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21), but both resulting in increased vulnerability to infections (22). Immune system deficiency and other COVID properties also suggest a potential link to greater risk of cancers (23, 24, 25, 26, 27).

The “original” AIDS caused by HIV takes up to around 10 to 15 years to make its presence felt, with the initial infection usually barely noticed and often resembling the common cold or a flu-like disease until its damage manifests itself leading to death in the absence of treatments (28, 29).

With SARS-CoV-2, immunodeficiency develops in the weeks and months following infection. It involves reduction and functional exhaustion of T Cells (30), enhanced inhibition of MHC-I expression (31), downregulating CD19 expression in B cells (32) and other evidence of immune dysregulation (33, 34). In one study, the dysregulation persisted for 8 months following initial mild-to-moderate SARS-CoV-2 infection, the length of the study (35). There is no “cure” for any of the damage caused by SARS-CoV-2 including immune dysregulation."

If you check the references, this isn't hyperbole, it's just what the current research on covid is showing. So, if this is true, I'd expect to see the same rates of disease happening in countries regardless of how many rounds of gene therapy people have had, so that's what I've been looking in to, from an EU perspective.

Total COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people at Aug 12, 2024

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?tab=table&showSelectionOnlyInTable=1&country=GBR~AUT~BLR~BEL~HRV~CYP~CZE~DNK~EST~FIN~FRA~GRC~HUN~IRL~ITA~OWID_KOS~LTU~LUX~MDA~MKD~NOR~POL~PRT~ROU~SVK~SVN~ESP~BGR~DEU~NLD~CHE

Countries of 1 million or more people with the highest rates of gene therapy shots:

Portugal271.81
Belgium 270.31
Denmark 253.46

2024 Headlines from those countries relating to measles, flu and whooping cough:

Whooping cough sees almost 10-fold increase year-on-year in Portugal
Belgium declares flu epidemic
Measles spike in Belgium
Pertussis epidemic in Denmark, August 2023 to February 2024

Countries of 1 million or more people with the lowest rates of gene therapy shots:

Romania 87.80
Moldova 75.43
Bulgaria 69.25

2024 Headlines from those countries relating to measles, flu and whooping cough:

Bulgaria Implements Temporary Measures Against Whooping Cough Epidemic
Flu Epidemic Declared in Seven of Bulgaria's 28 Regions
Double Epidemic Alert: Measles and Flu Surge Overwhelm Romania
Romania Measles Cases Highest in Europe

Basically the same headlines, which supports the theory that the waves of illness we're seeing are caused by covid and the damage it does to people's immune systems, rather than the gene therapy shots. I'm guessing this is worse for the shotted, but it's not a phenomenon restricted solely to that group.

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