Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 159

[ecosophia]

We are now in the fourth year of these open posts. When I first posted a tentative hypothesis on the course of the Covid phenomenon, I had no idea that discussion on the subject would still be necessary more than three years later, much less that it would turn into so lively, complex, and troubling a conversation. Still, here we are. Crude death rates and other measures of collapsing public health are anomalously high in many countries, but nobody in authority wants to talk about the inadequately tested experimental Covid injections that are the most likely cause; public health authorities government shills for the pharmaceutical industry are still trying to push through laws that will allow them to force vaccinations on anyone they want; public trust in science is collapsing; and the story continues to unfold.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry and its government enablers are causing injury and death on a massive scale. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its wholly owned politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

Comments

Re: The Drug Pushing Industrial Complex

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, not treating such symptoms may not lead to good things either. Started having severe pain with periods at 14. I've also had anxiety symptoms starting about age 6. I basically stumbled through my teenage years with anti-inflammatory meds and occasional counselling, with the whole thing messing me about badly and causing significant missed school as well as a lot of pain and misery. Finally got given birth control at about age 20 to deal with the pain, and it helped a lot. But no one really looked into why it was happening... 21 years after the start of symptoms, found out I have endometriosis, and went back on the birth control, which helped. I'd gone off it for a few years when things eased up and it seemed like I didn't need it, and then my new doctor had moral issues with birth control. Even though I wasn't using it for that, it meant she didn't know what to do with it, and it took a year to get the tests that allowed them to figure out what was wrong with me. So I was in a lot of pain in the mean time.

Going off meds doesn't bring someone like me back in synch with my own inner vitality, sexuality and emotional health. I didn't have that in the first place. Not having meds that were helping me just meant a lot of pain and suffering I don't think I should have been forced to go through when I knew from experience that it helped in a way nothing else I'd tried did.

Re: The Drug Pushing Industrial Complex

[claire_58]

I know what you've gone through. My experience was almost identical. Starting just before my 13th birthday and with some of the same frustratingly ineffective trial and error treatments. I'm glad you've found relief. Endometriosis is a tough one. Freedom of choice in healthcare means you absolutely get to choose the treatment that works best for you.

But I don't think Scotlyn is suggesting "not treating" these young women. It sounds to me like she is working very hard to help them build up their vitality and find their way to sexual and emotional health. Nor did she suggest that "going off meds" would be a solution. Rather, she pointed out that these types of medical interventions have a lasting impact on very young women that makes that process much more difficult.

Ultimately it's their own karma, as it is for each of us, but it's really unfortunate that western medicine is so lame about women's heath.

Re: The Drug Pushing Industrial Complex

[scotlyn]

"To be fair, not treating such symptoms may not lead to good things either."

100%

I mean, 100%!!!!

Suffering and disease need TREATMENT, and people want TREATMENT. My observations relate to the fact that the system is not geared to help you or I gain agency over our health. Which means that people often get saddled with FIXES, aimed at increasing their dependency, instead of being TREATED.

Still, occasionally, in what you might call a "happy" side effect, people DO manage to get treatment from the systems we have.

The key, to me is to be able to negotiate with the system, while retaining one's own agency. Because within that system there is still much of good, both people and meds, if we can negotiate with it on OUR terms, not on ITS terms, which endeavour to reduce our agency and increase our dependency (the major key to profitability in every industry, it must be admitted).

The thing that stands out to me in the story you are sharing here, is that you are glad to have found comfort and relief through using certain meds, after many years of "no one looking into why" you were suffering - ie no one TREATING you.

And, if I may, I offer you respect! It has not been an easy journey for you, and yet you have been able to use it to gain respect for the counsel of your own personal experience, which gives you connection with the only "expert" that can usefully guide your decisions.

May you be well, may your inner "expert" continue to bless you with her wisdom, and keep you free, vital and healthy, with whatever that entails! :)