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Midnight is here, and so it's time to launch a new Magic Monday. Ask me anything about occultism, and with certain exceptions, any question received by midnight Monday Eastern time will get an answer. Please note: Any question or comment received after then will not get an answer, and in fact will just be deleted. If you're in a hurry, or suspect you may be the 143,916th person to ask a question, please check out the very rough version 1.1 of The Magic Monday FAQ here.

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The image? I field a lot of questions about my books these days, so I've decided to do little capsule summaries of them here, one per week. The book above was my fortieth published book, and the product of an investigation that's still ongoing. I happened to notice back in the early 1990s, as a result of voracious reading in odd books, that a surprising number of temple traditions around the world are connected to legends about increased agricultural fertility. I know, that's supposed to be mere superstition -- but it's funny how often "mere superstition" turns into evidence that the ancients knew more than it's fashionable for modern intellectuals to admit. That launched a quest that resulted in this book. I've come to theorize that woven into the design and use of certain specific kinds of temples is a lost folk technology that boosts agricultural productivity. I've collected physical evidence (including controlled double-blind studies) that there are energies known to science that could have been concentrated and put to use with resonating chambers of stone, designed according to specific geometries, filled with volatile organic compounds, and activated with sound waves. What's more, it's a technology that could be rediscovered and put to work to help plants thrive now.

This book was my first progress report on that investigation. It's about to go out of print -- Llewellyn, the original publisher, still has a few copies left on sale, which you can get here -- but there'll be another edition in due time, and probably a further book not too long after that, as I'm continuing to find relevant data. Yes, there are also other people busy with this; the prospect of a working model, so that the details of the technology can be tested in real world conditions, may not be far off.

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Greetings JMG and others! A few questions for you:

1) I saw someone tweet about a math prodigy that could "taste numbers". It made me wonder what math actually was. Are mathematical objects "real" and "external" in some type of way? Do we get their glimpses on the mental plane? Are they one of the "forms" objects or archetypical? In that sense are we discovering them rather than creating them?

1B) How do they relate to physical and mental objects in that case?

I would be keen to know about the nature of math in the occult as well as philosophically.

2) I wanted to ask about the psychological inflation during kundalini awakenings that sometimes causes people to identify themselves as major historical figures (Lincoln etc), capable of impossible feats, having a mission etc.

It seems to do with the kundalini rising to the head particularly.

What exactly is going on? Are these archetypical images from the collective unconscious? Deeply buried subjective desires etc? It seems to go away once the K settles, but some people lose their minds.

3) If learning a language is L5 in horary, would asking what software, book, or coaching help to use be L5 too, or L9?

1) As I see it, numbers are hardwired into our consciousness, like space, time, and causality. They don't exist "out there"; they're filters that structure how we experience what's "out there," and so we project them onto everything we encounter. I've often thought that it's quite possible that alien beings that lack a rigid structure with, say, a fixed number of fingers, like the shoggoths in my tentacle stories, would find numbers completely baffling.

2) Kundalini puts enormous strain on the psyche, and so any inherent weakness may get triggered. If somebody has a tendency to egomania, for example, a badly handled kundalini experience can inflate their ego to gargantual size, and so on.

3) As I learned it, learning languages in adulthood is 9th house, along with all other post-childhood education. So you'd check the 9th in any case.

1) Do you know what was going on with all the mystical stuff wrt numbers etc in ancient greece (pythagoras, pre-socratics etc)?

2) Similarly you've at a time posited that jungian archetypes are the neoplatonic forms/noeta noemata that we dimly perceive; could you talk more about that and how those are external phenomena vs things that are filters (time, space, math etc)?

1) Yes, I've studied it in quite some detail. "What was going on with it" covers a lot of ground; did you have anything more specific to ask about it?

2) That's an oversimplification of what I said. The Jungian archetypes are instinct patterns -- the anima or animus is the trigger for the mating instinct, the shadow the trigger for the flight-or-fight instinct, and so on. They're biological patterns hardwired into our nervous systems, and those of all mammals. (Birds have a somewhat different set.) We see the world through them, just as we do through space, time, causality, and number -- and so, try as we may, we also experience the noeta through them. That's why so few people can think of the Divine without bringing in a cosmic Daddy image, for example.

Ok so the noeta are external to us, and the archetypes are internal and are perceptual filters or images through which the noeta (which presumably are mental plane and above in nature) are encountered?

And the archetypes are basically a psychic layer above the core instinct/neurological patterns or like a mental correlate to them?

Good. Yes, the noeta are realities of the mental plane, though they also reflect realities of the planes above the mental level. As for the archetypes, they are how we experience those core patterns.

Would the "self" be archetype that is the basis for any specific image of god we have (say vishnu), but when it is imbalanced (due to some psycho-emotional imprint, karma etc) and merges with other archetypes, say "the father", we get the punitive patriarchy sensation, images, and ideas of god?

While we construct these symbolic realities filtered by archetypes and imbued with narrative meaning, real divinity (external individuated consciousness) can occupy those symbols in some way and influences us thus? (But also directly from the higher planes as kundalini does?).

No, the Self is only constellated very late in the process of individuation, because it consists of the unity of all the archetypes. All the partial archetypes have to be awakened first, and that's a long process. All natural images of the Divine are drawn from the partial archetypes. Please note also that the Father-as-Divine isn't necessarily punitive patriarchy -- that latter is a distortion and a defilement of the archetype of the Father, which in itself is generous, protective, powerful, loving. It's also not the only game in town. There are also plenty of people who experience the Divine as mother, as beloved, as darling infant, and so on. (In Bali they address their gods as "grandchild" and feel toward them the way human grandparents feel toward an adorable child.)

None of these images are true, but all of them are appropriate, since we think and feel with archetypes as inevitably as we walk with feet and eat with mouths. This is the way the Divine has created us; as social primates, we approach the Divine in a social way, using the archetypes that are the building blocks for our social experiences. We don't construct these experiences, if you mean by that any kind of conscious construction -- if anything, we are constructed by them, in that our social interactions mediated by archetypes are what shape our personalities and our experiences of ourselves and the world. Only at a very high level of development do we begin to outgrow them, and then it's because we have richer forms through which to begin to apprehend the Divine.

I just wanted to say this thread has been very helpful in sorting out how to fit the archetypes into the occult philosophy I'm plodding through (or vice versa?), so thanks very much. If "Jung and Occultism" ever wins for fifth Friday, or if the spirit ever moves you for some other reason, I'd very much welcome seeing this fleshed out in a full post (or book, even).

Cheers,
Jeff

I expect it to win sometime soon -- it's been coming in fairly close the last few times.

On 2, I had some of this ego inflation when the kundalini flow was very heavy but I kept it under control via a lot of discipline.

All the posts on the kundalini subreddit were around trying to ground the energy, move it downwards etc. I'm wondering what exactly is going on here, why does the energy get stuck in the head and why does it cause this type of grandiosity specifically (until later when it cleared up and some of my psycho-emotional issues cleared up)? Are these like buried self-image issues its bringing up?

2) Similarly, on the subreddits I've read warning of imbalanced Kundalini awakenings which have to do with too much mental energy causing full blown delusions, out of body experiences etc. It seems to be screwing with the "narrative creation" part of the mind, so to speak.

What are your thoughts?

That it's not a specialty of mine and you should probably talk to someone who has more experience with kundalini psychosis if you want a detailed discussion.

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