ecosophia | Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 134

We are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before:

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here.

3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue.

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules.

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

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There is no force in the entire universe that will make me follow any of such scenarios if taken further than a pantomime. If such things happen, I already have an escape plan and I'm ready to lose my job and current lifestyle for it. My biggest hurdle would be finding a good home for my stuff and shipping my small library by boat.

I see very little relation here between democracy and such measures. Democracy is not about everyone being in agreement and doing sacrifices for the common "good" and taking the means on their hands, it's about electing officials by the people's vote, that would be more akin to a more socialist mindset or a repressive regime.

Ai Wei Wei recently made a loud statement showing how China is actually more free than the West and the US these days... and I agree with his sentiment, even if it is not factually accurate, which wasn't meant to be such.

Edited 2024-02-28 18:12 (UTC)

I think the real problem is the compulsion-- Seems obvious, but maybe it's not really;
Do I have any objection to getting news of a pandemic on the way? No.
Do I object to people developing a vaccine and advertising it? No.
Do I object to having the new vaccine available to me locally, should I decide to use it? No.
Do I object to heavy-handed coercion for everyone to get the vaccine? Yes.

Give a large number of people a choice to do or not do anything, and some of us will, and some will not. This is probably evolutionary hard-wiring in action. No matter what proves out to be the right decision, there will be survivors and the race will survive. The price of that racial survival is the deaths of people who turned up on the wrong side of the decision.

In 2020, before any of us knew what would be the extent of COVID, the death rate, and whether effective vaccines would be developed that did not cause more harm than good-- Before all that-- There were already a large number of people who would not get the vaccine no matter what, and another large group that would get any vaccine developed, no matter what.

For the next pandemic of unknowable outcome? I plan to spend my energies on ensuring the right to choose to get a vaccine, or to choose not to get a vaccine, and have these decisions without social penalty. I do not, and cannot, know in advance what I will do.

Exactly, and I think it's great you are thinking about the future! And I also see a lot of people getting mobilized. Thats one thing I really admire about the US, many people know how to get stuff done.

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