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John Michael Greer ([personal profile] ecosophia) wrote2024-02-27 09:43 am

Open (More or Less) Post on Covid 134

don't complyWe are now in the third year of these open posts. As the phrase "died suddenly" repeats in the mass media like a mantra, statistics for work days lost to illness and all-cause mortality mount up in heavily vaccinated nations, and more and more ugly facts about the official response to Covid spill out into public, we are entering what may well turn out to be the most difficult period of the Covid disaster -- the phase in which denial rises in lockstep with the death rate, and a great many people try not to admit what has been done to them by the people and institutions they trusted. It could get ugly, folks.

So it's time for another open post. The rules are the same as before: 

1. If you plan on parroting the party line of the medical industry and its paid shills, please go away. This is a place for people to talk openly, honestly, and freely about their concerns that the party line in question is dangerously flawed and that actions being pushed by the medical industry et al. are causing injury and death. It is not a place for you to dismiss those concerns. Anyone who wants to hear the official story and the arguments in favor of it can find those on hundreds of thousands of websites.

2. If you plan on insisting that the current situation is the result of a deliberate plot by some villainous group of people or other, please go away. There are tens of thousands of websites currently rehashing various conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 outbreak and the vaccines. This is not one of them. What we're exploring is the likelihood that what's going on is the product of the same arrogance, incompetence, and corruption that the medical industry and its tame politicians have displayed so abundantly in recent decades. That possibility deserves a space of its own for discussion, and that's what we're doing here. 
 
3. If you plan on using rent-a-troll derailing or disruption tactics, please go away. I'm quite familiar with the standard tactics used by troll farms to disrupt online forums, and am ready, willing, and able -- and in fact quite eager -- to ban people permanently for engaging in them here. Oh, and I also lurk on other Covid-19 vaccine skeptic blogs, so I'm likely to notice when the same posts are showing up on more than one venue. 

4. If you don't believe in treating people with common courtesy, please go away. I have, and enforce, a strict courtesy policy on my blogs and online forums, and this is no exception. The sort of schoolyard bullying that takes place on so many other internet forums will get you deleted and banned here. Also, please don't drag in current quarrels about sex, race, religions, etc. No, I don't care if you disagree with that: my journal, my rules. 

With that said, the floor is open for discussion.

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Top Cardiologist Calls on GMC To Investigate Covid-19 Vaccine Injuries

https://doctoraseem.com/top-cardiologist-calls-on-gmc-to-investigate-covid-19-vaccine-injuries/

When would you comply?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Here are a couple of questions I'd like to throw to the commentariat for debate.

Are there hypothetical circumstances under which you *would* cooperate with government-enforced mass quarantine measures (i.e. total lockdowns or more localized blockades)? Can such measures be considered a reasonable option for democratic societies?

Similarly, but separately, are there hypothetical circumstances under which you *would* cooperate with a government-enforced vaccine mandate?

I ask because in listening to my own stream of thought about this (often in the middle of the night, the same sorts of things over and over again), I feel myself getting into a dualistic rut, and if there's nuance to be found here I want to stretch my mind to see it.

Dylan

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
reposting this from the last thread in case ppl missed it
this hearing is really good.
it includes ppl like lara logan, ed dowd, dr malone,
mattias desmet and many others. Hosted by senator ron johnson:

Federal Health Agencies and the COVID Cartel: What Are They Hiding?

https://rumble.com/v4fpw4c-federal-health-agencies-and-the-covid-cartel-what-are-they-hiding.html

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Covid vaccine mandate ‘unlawful’ for Queensland emergency services, court rules

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/feb/27/covid-vaccine-mandate-queensland-emergency-workers-police-ambulance-unlawful

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
WATCH: Dr. Phil Rattles Clueless “The View” Hosts When He Changes the Subject and Goes Off on the Horrifying Impact School Shutdowns Had on Children During COVID

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/watch-dr-phil-rattles-clueless-view-hosts-when/
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Re: When would you comply?

[personal profile] charlieobert 2024-02-27 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
The difficulty with your questions is that we are coming to them with a lived recent history - of violation of trust, falsehood, manipulation and coercion. They have a context.

Your questions would mean something very different if I were in a situation of a sane, functioning society where I trusted the motives, veracity and intelligence of the authorities who might be asking for such measures as forced vaccinations or quarantines.

Given that sort of rational setting, yes there might be conditions I'd consider it.

BUT - that is not our situation.

Given the history of the last several years I have lost all trust in the authorities who might be requesting such measures - precisely because they violated the trust of people the last time they were requested/coerced/demanded.

So - given our current situation and history - are there situations I would consent to such measures?

F--k no.

"But this time it's different; it's real this time!" They said that last time.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, welcome to the USA - we're from the government and we're here to help.

Re: When would you comply?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Dylan,

Interesting questions! Not sure I can answer definitively to either one except to say "it depends." I never thought I'd be the type of person to directly disobey government mandates that are imposed for the sake of safety, yet here I am.

Perhaps think of a future situation as a gradation of choices rather than "either-or". That latter viewpoint, the binary, is pushed hard on us every day in modern society. If the binary of choices are either to comply or to disobey, then what options could we find in the middle, to either side of the binary, or a third choice that opposes the binary altogether.

Many people probably took the middle road, being a mixture of compliance and disobedience (like me).

Others have taken their health into their own hands, either by enforcing their own private mandates (must be vaxxed to visit, always wear masks, etc.) while others have completely sworn off conventional medicine.

Others still might find ways to avoid the system and government as much as possible, minimizing the need to engage with any of it to begin with.

My two (three?) cents.
Tim PW

Re: When would you comply?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
The short answer is: Never again in this lifetime.

Allowing that kind of power to be exercised requires trust.

Trust requires honesty.

The blatantly dishonest manner in which the covid response was conducted - not just by a few bad players, but by just about all who were in positions of authority - betrayed so many so badly that the system, and our leaders who administer it, have conclusively proven that they cannot be trusted.

If we are ever asked to cooperate with such measures again, there is only one logical response: GO FISH!!

Old Steve

Strange goings on

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I never lab-ratted myself for those psychos, but my partner insisted in '21 to take 2 hits. That's all.

I knew nothing about shedding but sleeping in the same bed I'm sure I snagged a few of little demons that presented as three specific spots on my body. I don't think they got into by body as such or else my excellent, well practiced immune system cleaned them up rapidly.

Each nostril got a 'tickle' in a specific spot near its entrance that would cause me to sneeze multiple times a day; very odd and unusual for me. The 3rd spot was on my right side above the hip and towards my back, therefore difficult to see.

It was a black coloured, raised lesion about 3-4mm in diameter. At first I thought it a blood blister but in never went away. I wondered if it was a melanoma, but it never grew larger.

So finally on Shrove Tuesday I came down with chills, sweats and a mild fever that lasted about 18 hours after which I had some fairly mild head cold symptoms and a bit of a sore throat. I'd finally caught the little beast. There are still some lingering runny nose from time to time but really a nothing-burger as illnesses go.

On about day 4 I blew out some massive blood clots from my nose. The tickle has stopped.

A few days ago I absent-mindedly scratched the lesion and about half of it fell off. I checked my fungal pharmacy tome and found that 4 mushrooms had very good results against melanomas. I had powdered lion's mane which I made a poultice with turkey tail and cordyceps tinctures as liquids, put it on a bandaid and left it in place for 2 days.

The rest of the main body flaked off and all that is left is a tiny dot. I just put on a fresh poultice, so we'll see.

My theory is that my internal immune system got busy with the bug and finally cleaned up those trespassers on my surface. Does that make any sense to anyone else?

Re: When would you comply?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I do not think there are any circumstances under which I'd trust the government so completely, no.

In the US at least, there is a long history of corruption in such matters-- any time the government is given sole custody of any group of people (starting at least as far back as when we moved the indians onto reservations, and continuing through prisons, hospitals, schools, and pretty much every other captive market), and a budget sufficient to provide for their welfare.... those entrusted with executing the thing end up embezzling the funds, bloating the admin, and shorting the people they're supposed to be providing for. The reasons for the internment are irrelevant. The important thing is, once you hedge people in, and make them dependent on the government, there's no feedback system for ensuring that resources allocated to them actually reach them. Somewhere along the line, there's a guy who's taking that $10k food budget, pocketing $8k, and bribing his buddy to sign a receipt saying the food shipped cost $10k... even though it was a truckload of expired ramen and some ground horse.

I'd far rather take my chances with a deadly disease.

Re: When would you comply?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
So I answer that to myself w another question. Can you imagine. As scenario where a government mass vax program would actually work? Better than your own prep? Hard to imagine right? Celadon

Re: When would you comply?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Quarantines and other such measures with a country need to be implemented within strict legal limits that respect citizens and lgela residents' human rights, and also respect the integrity of the governing system (executive, judicial, administrative), therefore, the measures need to be declared, administered, supervised, and concluded by health autorities that citizens have reason to trust are operating transparently, competently, and definitively for the citizenry's well-being and again, with respect for citizens' rights. We do not have that at this time. So: no.

(Quarantines for people and animals coming in from abroad, that's another matter. Not that I have any confidence in the authorities anymore on this count, either.)

Mandates for vaccinations, so-called, any and all: Hard no.

Masks scandal in Spain

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
A "socialist" politician, his dangerous friendships (a brothel ward between them ahem), millions of masks and a lot of public money. What could go wrong?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/spanish-ex-minister-refuses-calls-resign-over-alleged-mask-scandal-2024-02-27/#:~:text=MADRID%2C%20Feb%2027%20(Reuters),contracts%20during%20the%20COVID%20pandemic.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2024-02-27/spanish-ex-minister-refuses-calls-to-resign-over-alleged-mask-scandal

https://www.spainenglish.com/2024/02/27/spain-psoe-tell-ex-minister-quit-over-alleged-face-masks-scandal/

What a shame, getting richer with the people fear to COVID...Some people thinks (me too) that Abalos cabal wasn't probably alone in the COVIDian masks "business".

-A Spaniard.

Re: When would you comply?

[personal profile] coyote_girl 2024-02-27 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, my trust in institutions is so low these days, the devil himself would have to dig to find it.

I very much prefer solitude, so lockdowns would not be a burden on me. That being said,if another one was declared without serious and concrete evidence of it being needful, it would be my moral duty to set a good example and get out more.

Vaccines? Unless I get bit by a rabid critter, not another one as long as I live. The proper response now is two words and one finger, either extended or ready to squeeze.

I went through the first round of lockdowns as one of those expendable/essential workers. That front row seat had shown the virus to be a nothingburger and the shots to be an atrocity. They lied about it all.

That was a good reason to put 'collapse now and avoid the rush' into full gear.

I took the last severance offer from my former job. Just enough time in to make the minimum to cash out a small pension. Not one penny is going into the markets. That's either fraud or blood money as I see it. I am not lending corporations my money to make the rope they want to hang me with. Time to handle money like it's 1932.

Since health insurance is now legalized racketeering and hospitals look as safe as a bad neighborhood at 3 AM, my insurance was allowed to expire. We'll see how well the I-am-responsible-for-my-own-health-and-safety plan works.

So far walking away from a lot of the crap that is the 21st century is really looking up. It is starting to look more hellbilly than hippy though. Gonna expand the garden this year and see how tobacco does in this climate.

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Study Finds Hearing And Balance Disorders Among COVID-19 Vaccinated

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/study-finds-hearing-and-balance-disorders-among-covid-19-vaccinated

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
US Vaccine Injury Compensation Program Has 10-Year Backlog of Claims

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-vaccine-injury-compensation-program-has-10-year-backlog-claims/5850611

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
PRE-PLANNED: Weeks before COVID was even announced, Moderna shipped mRNA “vaccine” prototypes to UNC scientists for evaluation

https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-02-26-moderna-shipped-mrna-vaccine-prototypes-unc-covid.html

Re: When would you comply?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Not until a lot of people are executed for their crimes during the Covid crisis. Until then, I cannot and will not trust the public health system.

Re: When would you comply?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
For balance, I pose another set of questions:

Are there any hypothetical circumstances under which you *would* condone dismantling the entire government health department and all related organizations, such as CDC, etc? Can a society function without *any* such services?

Similarly, and equally hypothetical: would you be prepared to make *all* pharmaceutical medicines illegal (as in: highly forbidden to produce, own, use or recommend) if they would be shown to have more harms than benefits?

Re: When would you comply?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I taught my sons three things from a very early age:

1. Don't go around pissing people off.

2. You can't make people do what they don't want to do.

3. Never, ever, EVER trust government.

That is all.

Licensed Templar

Re: When would you comply?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Would you cooperate with anyone who publicly announced they hate you? And acted as if they hated you? Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck? Nevermind all those other buzzwords. Answer those questions first and all the others should be easy to answer.

Re: When would you comply?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Oof typos.

Quarantines and other such measures within a country need to be implemented within strict legal limits that respect citizens' and residents' human rights, and also respect the integrity of the governing system itself (executive, judicial, administrative), therefore, the measures need to be declared, administered, supervised, and concluded by health autorities that citizens have reason to trust are operating transparently, competently, and definitively for the citizenry's well-being, and again, with respect for citizens' and residents' human rights. We do not have that at this time. So: no.

(Quarantines for people and animals arriving from abroad, that's another matter. Not that I have any confidence in the authorities anymore on this count, either.)

Mandates for vaccinations, so-called, any and all: Hard no.

Re: When would you comply?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-27 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Following up--

Vaccines necessarily involve someone getting injured or even killed, few though those numbers may be (or not). Therefore to mandate a vaccine is to oblige a someone to participate in a death and injury lottery. That is immoral.

As we know, our government lied about the deaths and injuries data, it censored those who questioned or spoke out about deaths and injuries, and it otherwise tried to hide and obfuscate and generally totally abandoned the injured and the breaved to their lonely, arduous, oftentimes excruciating and financially ruinous fates.

Again: Hard no. Frack no.

Re: When would you comply?

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Re: When would you comply?

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